my 1st thread because only you can help. I've gone thru the leather & colour references, as well as member's items to have an overview. I am now deliberating on the next H bag and it is the Kelly that I would like. Colour : rouge (but there are so many tones :- H, Garance, VIF & Vermillion) Leather: i like to own something that I haven't got, therefore not box, not clemence & not togo Your suggestions & inputs please. Thanks very much.