Box Kelly 28: vintage vs new?

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Hi all,

I’d love some wisdom from those with more experience. I love heritage leather and have been looking for a sellier box Kelly 28 that’s not black. I’ve found one in great condition from the 90s but it’s $14K which is approaching the in-store price.

Just this past week I’ve found out I’m likely to be offered a box Kelly 28 in-store.

I’ve read multiple threads praising the quality of 90s box but is it worth paying almost the same as new?

Help appreciated!
 
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Hi all,

I’d love some wisdom from those with more experience. I love heritage leather and have been looking for a sellier box Kelly 28 that’s not black. I’ve found one in great condition from the 90s but it’s $14K which is approaching the in-store price.

Just this past week I’ve found out I’m likely to be offered a box Kelly 28 in-store.

I’ve read multiple threads praising the quality of 90s box but is it worth paying almost the same as new?

Help appreciated!
I haven’t heard the difference between 90s box vs current box.

The upside of the earlier models IMO is you could get box in retourne styles vs. Sellier only today! The other upside is some people prefer to have the bag patina-ed, scratches included etc.

Disclaimer: I have two B30s box retourne from 2000 and 2010 and have been offered several box sellier styles this year but didnt take it. I also noticed more contrast stitching in the newer models.

If you aren’t dying for another non-box QB I would def get the store one and create your own scratches and patina. Overtime resale value will be better for this years stamp too.
 
Hi all,

I’d love some wisdom from those with more experience. I love heritage leather and have been looking for a sellier box Kelly 28 that’s not black. I’ve found one in great condition from the 90s but it’s $14K which is approaching the in-store price.

Just this past week I’ve found out I’m likely to be offered a box Kelly 28 in-store.

I’ve read multiple threads praising the quality of 90s box but is it worth paying almost the same as new?

Help appreciated!
I paid $18,000 US for a sellier, box 30 birkin in 2023. So I think a sellier Box K28 in 2024 will likely be in that range as well. So a pre owned box kelly 28 for $14,000 is quite a discount off a new price.
 
K25 box sellier was 16 300 USD before tax earlier this year (am still under sticker shock). For me it would depend on if your store gets the exact color you're after. If not, 14k seems reasonable. I have a box bolide from 1993 and while I love it, I don't find it's 'superior' to current leather.
 
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@Gin&H As Box is my favorite Hermès leather, I have acquired bags produced over a wide enough period of time to have formed an opinion with respect to your questions. Currently, I have Box leather bags crafted during several successive decades, beginning with the 70s and continuing up through the 2020s.

Since each bag is made by a different craftsperson and each piece of Box leather is unique, my opinion is just that--my opinion. I'm sure other lovers of Box leather will chime in and share their own opinions. I do not consider myself an expert on leather; I am simply sharing my personal experiences.

Characteristics of leather in general, and Hermès Box leather in particular, will vary from piece to piece. When my Box leather bags are sent to Paris for spa services, I always marvel at the ability of the Hermès leather artisan to select leather with attributes that align as closely as possible with the attributes of the original Box leather, whenever any leather portion of the bag needs to be replaced.

My older Box bags are made from leather that is a bit thicker and they have what I consider a more sumptuous quality to the full hand of the leather. Patina will change the appearance of Box leather over time, but it will not change the underlying quality of that specific piece of Box leather itself. In other words, although all Box leather will acquire a beautiful patina with age and wear, a less sumptuous piece of Box leather will not, in my opinion, become more sumptuous over time. The hand of the leather is a completely different quality that is independent from the patina of the leather. That said, Hermès has admittedly struggled in recent years to obtain the quality of hides they require from their various suppliers to produced Box leather bags. To their credit, Hermès will pause the use of Box leather rather than accept inferior materials.

While each craftsperson will become more skilled at their art over time, I do not see a maison-wide correlation between the decade a Box leather bag was crafted and the quality of the craftsmanship of Box leather bags as a whole from one decade to the next. Nor am I aware of Hermès production standards being changed over the decades. For example, I am unaware of Hermès pushing their craftspersons to make a Kelly bag or a Birkin bag in a fewer number of hours now than they did in the 90s.

After all, much of the mystique that continues to make Hermès bags the most desired "brand" of all the luxury houses can be traced back to the maison's extraordinary dedication to hand-stitched, handcrafted bags made one stitch at a time by a single craftsperson from start to finish, culminating in the craftsperson signing each bag they create with their unique maker's code. In my opinion, it is precisely the maison's commitment to these revered time-consuming traditions of savoir faire paired with their brilliant "marketing" of intentionally scarce pieces and leathers, which is the antithesis of pressuring their artisans to produce more bags in shorter periods of time.

I hope I've been able to share a Box leather aficionado's perspective in a way that enhances your understanding of the questions you are pondering. Congratulations on acquiring a Box leather K28 Hermès bag from the 90s! Enjoy her in good health. Box leather lovers will readily admit that once you've fallen for the allure of Box leather, your desire for "just one more" Box leather bag from Hermès will grow stronger over time. Perhaps there will be a more recently crafted Box bag in your future to allow you to form your own opinion on these interesting questions you have posed!❤️

I feel it's lighter and thinner now; not necessarily a bad thing either.
@ladymaigrey welcome to the slippery slope of H heritage leathers! Full disclosure I’m a H newbie but I also love heritage leather and went into a deep dive on the “ode to box” and “box through the ages thread” earlier this year lol. I pasted 2 quotes above. I actually posed this question and got a thoughtfully eloquent response. Second quote is another OG TPFer commenting to someone else’s same question, so I thought I’d share here.

I have a 90s k28 rouge vif box in retourne. I love it and think it has a beautiful hand. I would buy another vintage box in a heartbeat if the right bag came along. That being said, I’d love to get one from the boutique. It sounds like while a lighter hide, the quality is of course still there. For overly sentimental reasons, I like the idea of making my own marks on it, being able to cherish the developing patina, and maybe one day pass it along to a future DD.

Unfortunately even in this past year I’ve noticed that vintage box Kelly 28 pricing have stayed around $10k on eBay from the reputable Japanese companies. The majority of these are black. There are occasionally some that are $6-8k that are in good condition but I’ve noticed recently these tend to have cracks or what looks like the leather is quite dry. I was quite lucky when I bought my rouge vif K28 because it was $7k and in wonderful condition. I think it was priced lower because the date stamp was a little unclear. But I had it authenticated by BBB and all is well. When I look at vintage bags, I think if the price is below retail that’s a good starting point. So $14k is still a small discount especially considering the rarity of these push offers especially if you’re looking for a non-black box Kelly.

JMO but hope this helps. I’m sure other much more sage TPFers will chime in as well. I’m looking forward to seeing future posts about which you choose! :heart:
 
@ladymaigrey welcome to the slippery slope of H heritage leathers! Full disclosure I’m a H newbie but I also love heritage leather and went into a deep dive on the “ode to box” and “box through the ages thread” earlier this year lol. I pasted 2 quotes above. I actually posed this question and got a thoughtfully eloquent response. Second quote is another OG TPFer commenting to someone else’s same question, so I thought I’d share here.

I have a 90s k28 rouge vif box in retourne. I love it and think it has a beautiful hand. I would buy another vintage box in a heartbeat if the right bag came along. That being said, I’d love to get one from the boutique. It sounds like while a lighter hide, the quality is of course still there. For overly sentimental reasons, I like the idea of making my own marks on it, being able to cherish the developing patina, and maybe one day pass it along to a future DD.

Unfortunately even in this past year I’ve noticed that vintage box Kelly 28 pricing have stayed around $10k on eBay from the reputable Japanese companies. The majority of these are black. There are occasionally some that are $6-8k that are in good condition but I’ve noticed recently these tend to have cracks or what looks like the leather is quite dry. I was quite lucky when I bought my rouge vif K28 because it was $7k and in wonderful condition. I think it was priced lower because the date stamp was a little unclear. But I had it authenticated by BBB and all is well. When I look at vintage bags, I think if the price is below retail that’s a good starting point. So $14k is still a small discount especially considering the rarity of these push offers especially if you’re looking for a non-black box Kelly.

JMO but hope this helps. I’m sure other much more sage TPFers will chime in as well. I’m looking forward to seeing future posts about which you choose! :heart:
Thanks for sharing both your experience and the information from other forum members. So much great information here! TBH, when I found my 1999 K32 retourne in box, I knew NONE of this information even though I generally like to make informed decisions. Love that you're helping OP to do so.

Good luck in your search @ladymaigrey
 
Thank you so much @hermesandchanel @CTLover @step2005 @Gin&H @tinkerbell68! A lot of food for thought! My SA is hinting that this offer will be in a color that I'll love. It's good to know people are happy with newer box pieces. But the vintage box still has a mystique to it, doesn't it? Clearly the answer is to get both 😆. As the post above notes, there's always "just one more"
 
I paid $18,000 US for a sellier, box 30 birkin in 2023. So I think a sellier Box K28 in 2024 will likely be in that range as well. So a pre owned box kelly 28 for $14,000 is quite a discount off a new price.
Box aficionados on TPF when I first joined in 2008 used to say that the nineties were a particularly great period for Kelly bags. I’ve not found that to be the case, and a nineties Kelly won’t have the double ring hardware for the strap. Agree that 14K is a savings, but only if it’s in all respects the perfect bag for you. My box Kelly bags were all fabulous structural condition, great deals (the most I paid was 7K USD during covid SIP, and I do not like buying resale if it’s not a bargain). Mine are all from the early aughts. The leather does feel thicker. If your SA feels that the bag that you will be offered is the perfect bag, I might be tempted to go the boutique route. It’s really your gut instinct, dependent on whether you really love one particular bag over another. Have fun deciding :smile:
 
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Hi all,

I’d love some wisdom from those with more experience. I love heritage leather and have been looking for a sellier box Kelly 28 that’s not black. I’ve found one in great condition from the 90s but it’s $14K which is approaching the in-store price.

Just this past week I’ve found out I’m likely to be offered a box Kelly 28 in-store.

I’ve read multiple threads praising the quality of 90s box but is it worth paying almost the same as new?

Help appreciated!
In a nutshell why don't you wait and see the bag which is offered to you. As your SA hints it's going to be a colour you love and you know it's 100% authentic, which is a major factor for peace of mind. You might take one look and fall straight in love! Let us know how it goes. The rest of us who absolutely love Box will be here waiting with you. ❤️
 
Box aficionados on TPF when I first joined in 2008 used to say that the nineties were a particularly great period for Kelly bags. I’ve not found that to be the case, and a nineties Kelly won’t have the double ring hardware for the strap. Agree that 14K is a savings, but only if it’s in all respects the perfect bag for you. My box Kelly bags were all fabulous structural condition, great deals (the most I paid was 7K USD during covid SIP, and I do not like buying resale if it’s not a bargain). Mine are all from the early aughts. The leather does feel thicker. If your SA feels that the bag that you will be offered is the perfect bag, I might be tempted to go the boutique route. It’s really your gut instinct, dependent on whether you really love one particular bag over another. Have fun deciding :smile:
This is a really great point. Pre-2000 bags won't have double rings (and no, you cannot add them) and usually won't have a strap. That alone would make me inclined to buy the boutique bag if it's in the color you want.

FWIW, I have a 1980 Rouge H Box calf Kelly 28 and a 2023 Rouge H box calf Kelly 25 (yes, I have a problem). The leathers are different, and I will say the 1980 leather is thicker and glossier. But the newer Box calf is still absolutely beautiful.
 
Agree that 14K is a savings, but only if it’s in all respects the perfect bag for you. My box Kelly bags were all fabulous structural condition, great deals (the most I paid was 7K USD during covid SIP, and I do not like buying resale if it’s not a bargain).

As your SA hints it's going to be a colour you love and you know it's 100% authentic, which is a major factor for peace of mind. You might take one look and fall straight in love!

FWIW, I have a 1980 Rouge H Box calf Kelly 28 and a 2023 Rouge H box calf Kelly 25 (yes, I have a problem). The leathers are different, and I will say the 1980 leather is thicker and glossier. But the newer Box calf is still absolutely beautiful.

Thank you all for your thoughts! It's so helpful to be able to hear from people who have seen and used vintage bags.

@880 as you pointed out 14K wasn't exactly a bargain. 7K is a dream! And even though the vintage bag was in great condition it wasn't my perfect bag. @QuelleFromage rouge H box is the ultimate dream. And I like and use the Kelly strap so that was another concern. @periogirl28 as you predicted my SA knew me well.

It wasn't rouge H but it was a beautiful vert fonce. Green is my favorite color! I was blown away by how rich the color was. I can't wait to see how the patina develops. I have a feeling this is the beginning of a box addiction 🤓

Thanks again to everyone who responded!
 

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Thank you all for your thoughts! It's so helpful to be able to hear from people who have seen and used vintage bags.

@880 as you pointed out 14K wasn't exactly a bargain. 7K is a dream! And even though the vintage bag was in great condition it wasn't my perfect bag. @QuelleFromage rouge H box is the ultimate dream. And I like and use the Kelly strap so that was another concern. @periogirl28 as you predicted my SA knew me well.

It wasn't rouge H but it was a beautiful vert fonce. Green is my favorite color! I was blown away by how rich the color was. I can't wait to see how the patina develops. I have a feeling this is the beginning of a box addiction 🤓

Thanks again to everyone who responded!
Oh wow, that is so gorgeous! Congratulations!!
 
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Thank you all for your thoughts! It's so helpful to be able to hear from people who have seen and used vintage bags.

@880 as you pointed out 14K wasn't exactly a bargain. 7K is a dream! And even though the vintage bag was in great condition it wasn't my perfect bag. @QuelleFromage rouge H box is the ultimate dream. And I like and use the Kelly strap so that was another concern. @periogirl28 as you predicted my SA knew me well.

It wasn't rouge H but it was a beautiful vert fonce. Green is my favorite color! I was blown away by how rich the color was. I can't wait to see how the patina develops. I have a feeling this is the beginning of a box addiction 🤓

Thanks again to everyone who responded!
@ladymaigrey Congratulations on such a beautiful bag!! I’m so happy for you it worked out perfectly. Vert fonce is such a lovely versatile color 😍. I can attest, once you get one box leather bag, you’ll want more! Thank you for sharing pictures of your new beauty and can’t wait to see all the future action pics :drinks:
 
Thank you all for your thoughts! It's so helpful to be able to hear from people who have seen and used vintage bags.

@880 as you pointed out 14K wasn't exactly a bargain. 7K is a dream! And even though the vintage bag was in great condition it wasn't my perfect bag. @QuelleFromage rouge H box is the ultimate dream. And I like and use the Kelly strap so that was another concern. @periogirl28 as you predicted my SA knew me well.

It wasn't rouge H but it was a beautiful vert fonce. Green is my favorite color! I was blown away by how rich the color was. I can't wait to see how the patina develops. I have a feeling this is the beginning of a box addiction 🤓

Thanks again to everyone who responded!
Such a gorgeous bag! Congrats! I am thrilled for you :D
 
Thank you all for your thoughts! It's so helpful to be able to hear from people who have seen and used vintage bags.

@880 as you pointed out 14K wasn't exactly a bargain. 7K is a dream! And even though the vintage bag was in great condition it wasn't my perfect bag. @QuelleFromage rouge H box is the ultimate dream. And I like and use the Kelly strap so that was another concern. @periogirl28 as you predicted my SA knew me well.

It wasn't rouge H but it was a beautiful vert fonce. Green is my favorite color! I was blown away by how rich the color was. I can't wait to see how the patina develops. I have a feeling this is the beginning of a box addiction 🤓

Thanks again to everyone who responded!
This is just stunning. Enjoy!
 
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