This came up in the Ode to Box Calf thread...the many variations in this beloved leather over the decades...coming up on at least six decades of box calf being perhaps the most classic of H leathers. I thought it would be interesting to discuss the difference we see in ours and others' box bags of different years and some lovely tPFers thought so too. Here are close-ups of my three current box bags: 2000 Kelly 28 Retourné, Noir. This is velvety to the touch and soft with a lot of give. It has a sheen to it that is almost sparkly. 2002 Bolide 31, Noisette. This box is smoother and more matte (but not as matte as Chamonix), without a noticeable sheen, and is stiffer too. It seems to scratch more visibly (or the bag is just more beaten up ). 1980 Kelly 28, Sellier, Rouge H. This is by far the glossiest of the leathers - it is easily fingerprinted, almost like glass. It is shiny rather than sparkly. Even given that it's a sellier it is MUCH stiffer than the 2000 Kelly, significantly more so than the Bolide.