Ladies, Thanks so much for all your advice yesterday on the black v. red large Veneta question. In the end, economics made my decision for me. We had a 20% off coupon for Saks, which only had the black. Neiman Marcus had the red, but couldn't give us a discount. I agree that the red was gorgeous (a "perfect red" as one poster called it), but the savings on the black were too great to pass up. We also did something we never do: sign up for store credit for the 10% discount. It's usually so not worth it, but an extra 10% off of $1850 is really a chunk of money. In the end, we got the large black Veneta for $518 off. Now, for the bad news . . . . I can't have it until Christmas!!! How am I going to wait until then??? At least I'll have something to look forward to.