My SA told me that the fall F&F starts Nov. 8 and goes through Nov. 11. He let me do a pre-sale today on a gorgeous pearl necklace. Included items will be 20% off. When I went to the handbag counter the SA told me that pre-sale start Nov. 2, so there is a little bit of confusion (or leeway?). At any rate, I'm going back then to purchase a MJ Camelia.