I am looking to purchase either a large Veneta in Noce (classic) or Camel (F/W 07). I have seen the Camel, but not the Noce (apart from the pics on colors which has now disappeared). Is the Noce more "beigey" than the camel? Which is the more neutral neutral? Which do you think wears better (I am absolutely rough with my bags - put them on floors, let my kids use them as pillows etc). If both Camel and Noce need to be babied, then maybe I should get the Ebano ....... TIA