How to go from 50+ to looking 20+ with plastic surgery rejuvenation.

[MissOrange]

@MissOrange Hello, new here!! And seeking advice on all of the issues you stated in your last post. But first, let me just say you look flawlessly amazing!!! And thank you for sharing your journey with us.
So I have all of the issues that you stated but I'm only in mid 30's. Growing up I've always had a chubby round face. Now that I'm older with years of fluctuating weight and 3 kids later, my skin has sagged so much which caused deep nasolabial folds and jowls. The jowls give my face a square shape. When I pull the skin on side of face up, my face shape changes. My skin is also thin and I have loss of elasticity & Collagen which made me developed tear trough lines and under eye fat. Soooo depressing I don't even want to look at myself in the mirror. I just look tired all of the time. With that being said, I am considering a full face lift but super scared of botched surgeries as I wouldnt be able to afford revisions. To add, i am unsure if mid 30's is too early for full face lift? And would a face-lift even correct all of my issues? or would I also need a lower bleph?
If you could start your journey all over again, what would be the go to surgery to achieve the look you have today and which ONE Dr. Would you go to?
Also, would you recommend going to SK for a face-lift? (Open to having surgery in SK as I feel they have more experience with Asian facial features. Correct me if I am wrong though!)
Hope to hear back from you soon!!
Xoxo

Hi @moomoomui,

Sounds like you need a facelift as you have a sagging square face with deep nasolabials and jowls and it looks improved when you lift your skin up. As you have thin skin like I do, then you absolutely need postop steroids to avoid your skin stretching with postop swelling as a head bandage is not enough. The question is do Korean surgeons give postop steroids (prednisolone or prednisone or medro pack)? As you say you only want one facelift and not a revision. I learned the hard way how important it was to have access to a week of postop steroids. If you can confirm your surgeon in Korea does prescribe postop steroids, then Dr Lee at ASPS, Dr Dongman Park at Bio clinic and maybe Dream clinic too are places to research for facelifts. Btw, a friend told me that ASPS is having a sale on facelifts. I would not undertake any facelift without steroids postop as swelling will occur without steroids, and the skin will stretch whether you get full face fat graft, a facelift or bone contouring surgery.

In the UK, ladies are slowly urging their surgeons to prescribe postop steroids like the top surgeons in the US. A lady has confirmed that Dr Marando will prescribe her postop steroids after her lateral smasectomy. Another lady managed to get steroids from Dr Anthony Macquillan after her buccal fat pad removal and her result is amazing with no swelling.

As for going back in time, I think there is no single surgeon who could achieve the results I have today. Only a plastic surgeon specialist in eyes and eyelid fat graft (Dr HyoSeok Seo) could have rejuvenated my old eyes. He does not do facelifts. Dr Nick Rhodes in York, UK is the cheapest board certified surgeon in the UK (£3495 or roughly 4 million won) and cheaper than Korea (ranges from 6.5-15 million won), who makes one look more beautiful with his facelifts but to avoid revision, one needs to source postop steroids. I needed Dr Choi at MVP to remove the upper duck lip scar and fillers with his vermillion lip lift and I needed Caroline Mills in London to do a dramatic bullhorn lip lift. I needed Mr Michael May to do a hairline transplant for my genetic receding frontal hairline. I never researched forehead shortening at the time.

But for you it sounds like you can get away with just one surgeon to do your facelift as long as you source postop steroids from your surgeon or family doctor. Hope this helps.

 

[Transformation2021]

Hooray for Grand another amazing facelift

 

[MissOrange]

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There was a patient death at Grand. Also never judge postop photos at 3 months. Always wait to 6 months. And try to look for postop videos as clinics may photoshop after photos. I ruled out Grand as they are expensive, had a patient death and have too many doctors so high risk of shadow doctors.

One of Top Plastic Surgery Clinics in Korea Rebuts Charges Related to Ghost Surgery Scandal

Grand Plastic Surgery, which was prosecuted for having non-plastic surgeons stand in for plastic surgeons in the operating room without patients’ knowledge, allegedly spoke in its defense that the ghost surgery practice was part of a joint treatment during the third trial held on July 12. Grand Plas

www.businesskorea.co.kr

 

[MissOrange]

Remember ladies, big hospitals like grand, ID, Wonjin have a reputation for hiring ghost shadow doctors! 226 injuries from ghost surgeries is a big red flag! https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/10/asia...ctors-plastic-surgery-intl-hnk-dst/index.html

 

[T0KKI]

Remember ladies, big hospitals like grand, ID, Wonjin have a reputation for hiring ghost shadow doctors! 226 injuries from ghost surgeries is a big red flag! https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/10/asia...ctors-plastic-surgery-intl-hnk-dst/index.html

Hi MissOrange,
I've been following some of your posts and comments as you offer such great advice and recommendations. I'm going to Korea to have revisional surgeries and other corrections in October. My main hospital I am thinking of going to is DA PS. Have you heard of any ghost shadow doctors at that hospital? Is this a hospital that is on the "safe list"?
Thanks in advance

 

[moomoomui]

Hi @moomoomui,

Sounds like you need a facelift as you have a sagging square face with deep nasolabials and jowls and it looks improved when you lift your skin up. As you have thin skin like I do, then you absolutely need postop steroids to avoid your skin stretching with postop swelling as a head bandage is not enough. The question is do Korean surgeons give postop steroids (prednisolone or prednisone or medro pack)? As you say you only want one facelift and not a revision. I learned the hard way how important it was to have access to a week of postop steroids. If you can confirm your surgeon in Korea does prescribe postop steroids, then Dr Lee at ASPS, Dr Dongman Park at Bio clinic and maybe Dream clinic too are places to research for facelifts. Btw, a friend told me that ASPS is having a sale on facelifts. I would not undertake any facelift without steroids postop as swelling will occur without steroids, and the skin will stretch whether you get full face fat graft, a facelift or bone contouring surgery.

In the UK, ladies are slowly urging their surgeons to prescribe postop steroids like the top surgeons in the US. A lady has confirmed that Dr Marando will prescribe her postop steroids after her lateral smasectomy. Another lady managed to get steroids from Dr Anthony Macquillan after her buccal fat pad removal and her result is amazing with no swelling.

As for going back in time, I think there is no single surgeon who could achieve the results I have today. Only a plastic surgeon specialist in eyes and eyelid fat graft (Dr HyoSeok Seo) could have rejuvenated my old eyes. He does not do facelifts. Dr Nick Rhodes in York, UK is the cheapest board certified surgeon in the UK (£3495 or roughly 4 million won) and cheaper than Korea (ranges from 6.5-15 million won), who makes one look more beautiful with his facelifts but to avoid revision, one needs to source postop steroids. I needed Dr Choi at MVP to remove the upper duck lip scar and fillers with his vermillion lip lift and I needed Caroline Mills in London to do a dramatic bullhorn lip lift. I needed Mr Michael May to do a hairline transplant for my genetic receding frontal hairline. I never researched forehead shortening at the time.

But for you it sounds like you can get away with just one surgeon to do your facelift as long as you source postop steroids from your surgeon or family doctor. Hope this helps.

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Thank you so much for the response and input. After reading so many horror stories of botched surgeries and ghost doctors I am so hesitant. Feel so lost and don't know what to do. I might consider the Dr. Nick Rhodes you went to. Will make an appointment for consultation and see how it goes. And will definitely try to get my hands on prednisone if I end up going with him for the survey. I mean I love the look that Korean Doctors can create but the risk of having a ghost dr perform on me is soo high that I'm reconsidering.
If I can't get my hands on prednisone here in Canada, do you know if Dr. RHODES office prescribes that now? Or is there anywhere close to him I get from? Thanks for all your recommendations!

 

[MissOrange]

Thank you so much for the response and input. After reading so many horror stories of botched surgeries and ghost doctors I am so hesitant. Feel so lost and don't know what to do. I might consider the Dr. Nick Rhodes you went to. Will make an appointment for consultation and see how it goes. And will definitely try to get my hands on prednisone if I end up going with him for the survey. I mean I love the look that Korean Doctors can create but the risk of having a ghost dr perform on me is soo high that I'm reconsidering.
If I can't get my hands on prednisone here in Canada, do you know if Dr. RHODES office prescribes that now? Or is there anywhere close to him I get from? Thanks for all your recommendations!

Hi @moomoomui, yes that is the risk with Korea. Both ASPS and Bio clinic have many doctors so how can one be 100% confident that the head surgeon will do their facelift while under sedation? It is better to choose smaller clinics with 1-2 doctors so one knows there can be no switch.

No, Dr Rhodes does not prescribe steroids. I have been contacted by yet another lady patient of his whose face dropped at 4 months this month. I repeatedly suggested they offer postop steroids to their patients to avoid requests for revisions at 4-6 months. Sigh. The op is done under local so there is zero chance of a doctor swap. One would have to source a rx from a private doctor.

 

[MissOrange]

Here is a side by side of me at age 24 vs me this month at age 56. I never dreamed I would look like this at 56!

 

[moomoomui]

Hi @moomoomui, yes that is the risk with Korea. Both ASPS and Bio clinic have many doctors so how can one be 100% confident that the head surgeon will do their facelift while under sedation? It is better to choose smaller clinics with 1-2 doctors so one knows there can be no switch.

No, Dr Rhodes does not prescribe steroids. I have been contacted by yet another lady patient of his whose face dropped at 4 months this month. I repeatedly suggested they offer postop steroids to their patients to avoid requests for revisions at 4-6 months. Sigh. The op is done under local so there is zero chance of a doctor swap. One would have to source a rx from a private doctor.

So would you say Dr. Rhodes is the Dr to go to as long as you come prepares with steroids?

 

[xxphilip]

Oh wow I didn’t realise negotiating was a thing for plastic surgeries. Thanks for sharing!

 

[MissOrange]

Oh wow I didn’t realise negotiating was a thing for plastic surgeries. Thanks for sharing!

Hi @xxphilip, yes it is expected one negotiates in Korea but if the clinic has already set a very low price, then they will not. Tactics you may use are 1. recommended by x a past patient, 2. promise to write a review on tpf or allow the clinic staff to write a review for you on realself 3. permission to use your b&a photos on their social media, 4. offer to pay in cash, preferably in US dollars, 5. book in low season and 6. get written quotes from 2 other clinics and your clinic of choice may then lower their price to make it affordable for you but you must never share how much they dropped it just for you. You should get a tax refund at the airport with an official surgery receipt from the clinic but some clinics then add 10% to the surgery so you could offer to forego the tax refund and get 10% off. The government sets a limit for each clinic's income from foreigners so many prefer cash off the record.

 

[MissOrange]

So would you say Dr. Rhodes is the Dr to go to as long as you come prepares with steroids?

Hi @moomoomui, yes absolutely but only with steroids. He now charges £3995 which is like $4500 as the pound is at its lowest in 37 years against the US dollar. The challenge is getting a consult. His first available f2f free consult is in January but once seen surgery can be booked within the month. It is not like Korea where you can get same day walk in consultations and surgery next day. But keep calling for any last minute cancellations. That's how I got my consultation and surgery earlier.

Two sisters are having facelifts this month, one is a friend and getting a free revision with Nick (rrp £3995 or $4,500). She too learned the hard way and has now sourced steroids elsewhere and will take 30 mg a day for the first week postop and her younger sister (@angela.transformation on instagram) won the Bray competition for a free full face makeover including facelift (rrp £42,000 or $47,000), brow lift, bleph etc. who will also be prescribed steroids by Bray but at doses too low in my opinion to be as effective. Bray is operating on her tomorrow vs Nick is operating on her older sister next Tuesday. I am excited to see the results of the sister experiment! My vote is for Nick to win.

 

[Otto8]

@MissOrange , This is from Jag Chana's site. I am not sure I want this sort of deep plane facelift. Yes, she has improved a lot. But, there is still a hint of a lax jawline. He also said no skin needs to be removed for me. I was holding up my jawline and I am wondering where all that skin will go if he does not remove skin. Am I being unrealistic?

I have not chosen yet which surgeon to use. I feel I should do it in parts. Lipo first. Eyes, and then finally FL. This way, at every juncture, the different specialists can see what to do.

 

[worrywart99]

Hi @MissOrange, greetings to you. I just had a full face fat transfer on Monday. Was told that maximum of 50cc pure fat was harvested from each inner thigh. I'm 38 this year, 149cm and weight 47kg. Now I am so anxious that if 50cc pure fat from each thigh may create any irregularity later (I did not do much research on lipo before procedure). My thighs are slightly swollen but they are not painful. I am in my compression garment 24/7 since day 1 post op. I wonder based on your experience, if 50cc fat harvested from each inner thigh is too much?

Thank you!

 

[shruthi]

For any aging ladies out there losing hope, know that you too can become young and beautiful again by following my detailed journey and steps. I found a very old photo of me taken in Feb 2016 in Korea before I started my rejuvenation journey. I looked very old with hollow eyelids, flared nostrils, bony forehead, deep nasolabials and marionettes and a wide square jaw, although not unusual for a 49 yo lady. I am amazed when I look at myself now and see a young girl (without makeup) and slightly older but still young (with makeup). I never thought I could actually look pretty again (last time I looked pretty was age 24) but thanks to Dr Hyo Seok Seo (Korea), Dr Lucian Ion (UK), Dr Caroline Mills (UK) and Dr Nick Rhodes (UK), I have managed this too. It was a joint effort between 4 board certified plastic surgeons. I hope it lasts now that I have addressed and reversed all the signs of facial aging. I visit my Korean Uncle in LA next month. Last time he saw me I looked like the old face on the left. He will be shocked and not recognise me when I show up looking like the new face on the right!

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Dear Miss, your transformation is breathtaking. You have thanked your surgeons [Dr Hyo Seok Seo (Korea), Dr Lucian Ion (UK), Dr Caroline Mills (UK) and Dr Nick Rhodes (UK)] in your post. Can you please let me know who did what? It will be a great help. Thank You xoxo