The Suleman Octuplets Story- Thread #2

[karmenzsofia]

Originally Posted by pmburk

I see what you are saying, PinkSuedeSoho, but really - who says (repeatedly) that they're going to commit suicide *in front of their other children* - even in panic mode? I don't even have children and that's not something that would ever cross my mind or come out of my mouth. Those statements demonstrate yet again Nadya putting her own needs/wants in front of those of her children. IMHO I don't think a statement such as that can be construed as just a poor choice of words in a frantic moment. I don't know what her issues are, but she definitely needs mental help and I really wish she would get it instead of running around buying makeup and clothes and doing talk shows all the time.

IMO, the fact that it wouldn't cross your mind or come out of your or anyone else's mouth doesn't mean she's "wrong" because it did cross her mind and come out her mouth, KWIM? Was it alarming to hear her say it so many times? Yes it was. The number of times she said it to me was more significant than her choice of words. I don't get how it demonstrates that "once again" she's putting her own needs/wants in front of the kids...unless you mean that by killing herself in grief she would leave her kids without a mom. But someone who has six embryos implanted because she refuses to destroy any of them clearly wants to be with her kids, not leave them. She was freaking out, and different people react differently when they're freaking out. I think that 911 call is yet another thing people want to break into pieces, analyze and crucify her for. IMO, there are way more important issues than that call, but that's just my opinion, and I respect yours.

[PinkSuadeSoho]

^PMBURK I understand what you're saying. I just don't buy the whole suicide statement. I do have kids and can relate. Just because most people wouldn't say that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I think she was in panic mode and said things that people are using against her.

Karmen, I agree with you saying that the AIW were there to doom Nadya. I think the best thing for Nadya is to step out of the spotlight if she wants any type of normalcy.

[PinkSuadeSoho]

Originally Posted by karmenzsofia

IMO, the fact that it wouldn't cross your mind or come out of your or anyone else's mouth doesn't mean she's "wrong" because it did cross her mind and come out her mouth, KWIM? Was it alarming to hear her say it so many times? Yes it was. The number of times she said it to me was more significant than her choice of words. I don't get how it demonstrates that "once again" she's putting her own needs/wants in front of the kids...unless you mean that by killing herself in grief she would leave her kids without a mom. But someone who has six embryos implanted because she refuses to destroy any of them clearly wants to be with her kids, not leave them. She was freaking out, and different people react differently when they're freaking out. I think that 911 call is yet another thing people want to break into pieces, analyze and crucify her for. IMO, there are way more important issues than that call, but that's just my opinion, and I respect yours.

My thoughts exactly.

[karmenzsofia]

Originally Posted by PinkSuadeSoho

^PMBURK I understand what you're saying. I just don't buy the whole suicide statement. I do have kids and can relate. Just because most people wouldn't say that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I think she was in panic mode and said things that people are using against her. Karmen, I agree with you saying that the AIW were there to doom Nadya. I think the best thing for Nadya is to step out of the spotlight if she wants any type of normalcy.

ITA. I brought this up a couple of days ago, and someone said the media frenzy would be same anywhere she goes, but it wouldn't--I'm sure of it. Anywhere but CA and NY, would make a difference, IMO. Celebrities escape the media all the time; it can be done. But, as I said the other day, she has a huge problem: she needs her friends, church, social network to help her. And she would lose all of it if she moves.

[PinkSuadeSoho]

That someone was me
I think because she thrives on all of this, she'd find a way to make it happen. I do agree with what you're saying. Escaping the way a lot of celebs do, can be done because they don't feed off of this, the way Nadya has been doing.

[karmenzsofia]

[guccimamma]

she needs an intervention

new moms don't go spending $1500 at bebe...they take care of their kids.

she loves the attention, it is disgusting

[karmenzsofia]

I keep hearing about the $1 spend on make up. She was seen at the store. How do we know that for sure? Has anyone seen the receipt? I honestly would like to know because everywhere I turn I hear the same thing: "What is she doing spending $1K on make up when she's got 14 kids to feed...." etc. Who reported that? Could it be a rumor?

[onegirlcreative]

Originally Posted by Leah411

With the sheer number of children, helpers would have to do most of the work. BUT...if they are observing that the mother is not engaging with the children at all...not doing the cares...if she is indeed only doing a token care here and there and especially only when cameras are rolling...that would be cause for concern. Right now, I have ONE person to care for. My husband lost a leg last year, had more surgery this year..and he was home for a couple of weeks before having to be re-hospitalized last Thursday. It took ALL of my time to care just for him (he is not independtly mobile at this time). Just running out for groceries or medications or medical supplies took enormous logistical juggling. There is no way in hell that I have time to go out and get my nails done or spend $1000 at the MAC store or any of that kind of stuff. Yes, she does have helpers, so she does not 'have to' be personally hands-on 24/7, but she also has FOURTEEN children. Giving any kind of attention to that many souls is simply going to take a lot of time, so I'd really like to know how she has so much leisure time that she can run around appearing on TV shows, shopping, getting manicures, etc. If she doesn't want Angels in Waiting, she can send them to my house. My husband will eventually get out of the hospital and I will have to figure out how to care for him 24/7 AND hold down a full-time job (something Nadya has chosen not to do for quite some time now). I don't have money for help and I sure as hell don't have people coming to me and offering it. She should be grateful that people are willing to step up and help her take care of all those babies.

Well said.

[Jayne1]

Anyone see today's show?

AIW and Alred got the better of Nadya's lawyer, IMO. He must be making a nice earning from representing Octomom although he doesn't seem very competent.

[karmenzsofia]

OMG, is anyone watching Dr.OctoPhil right now?

Gloria and her clan vs. Nadya's lawyer.
Gloria is going to need a sedative after this.
She's accusing Nadya of being neglectful, however she said it, because she replaced a bath tub in the house. WTF? He explained the tub was leaking all over the place. So now she can't replace a defective tub in a house she just bought without them calling CPS on her? This has gone so deep into ridiculous territory, IMO... The woman can't take a shit without someone calling bloody murder. Again, I don't agree with what she did in having all those kids, but now we're witnessing the other side of the insanity spectrum. God forbid she buys a Mr. Coffee machine or, IDK, brand tampons vs generic.

ETA: Jayne, I respectfully disagree, my friend. I think Nadya, the nurse, et al are making fools of themselvess. Gloria is freaking out, yelling, not letting him talk. The nurse just admitted she told the lawyer, "I will take you out." WTF is that?

[onegirlcreative]

Originally Posted by omgsweet

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusive...wyer-vs-lawyer

I love how she's wearing those infamous oversized sunglasses that the celebrities wear to be incognito. Give me a break. I'm sorry, regardless of this story and how it unfolds, this biotch is LOVING the attention she's getting.

Hell, she purchased a house because of the stupid endorsements. It just angers me that these kids are the ones who's going to suffer, not her. She's sitting on her arse while the money and endorsements come in, while the rest of us work our tails off just to break even. Must be nice.

I think it's disgusting that this woman has gotten herself impregnated AGAIN for the sake of wanting more children. Come on, she had 6 already....she isn't stupid, she knew exactly what was going to happen after those babies were born. Anybody in this country would know what would happen.

All this money and assistance she is receiving and there are homeless people who don't have a roof over their heads and don't know where their next meal will come from—aside from the dumpster in the alley.

Makes me sick.

[Jayne1]

Originally Posted by karmenzsofia

ETA: Jayne, I respectfully disagree, my friend. I think Nadya, the nurse, et al are making fools of themselvess. Gloria is freaking out, yelling, not letting him talk. The nurse just admitted she told the lawyer, "I will take you out." WTF is that?

The lawyer was threatening Gloria, he was furious and getting violent (this was at the house the night the first babies arrived home) and since the nurse was standing right there, she told him to back off, or "I'll take you out."

I thought Gloria had the better of the lawyer because she brought her witnesses. Everything she said was backed up by the nurses who were actually watching the events.

Did you not think the lawyer was a jerk?

[karmenzsofia]

Not particularly. He's as much of a jerk as Gloria is, and all the others. They're all PITAs kuz they all want to win. His witness is Nadya, and if she shows up on the show again, Gloria and her passe would get even louder about Nadya not wanting privacy, seeking media attn etc. None of the nurses are going to side with her; they're on AIW's payroll. I agreed with a lot of what he said. During the past few days, I've been saying that Nadya is being put under a microscope to the point that she can do no right and that her rights as a mother are not respected by these people, and that's pretty much what he said.

This is an octomess

[Hally]

I'm just watching Dr. Phil now and Nadya's lawyer is a goof.