The Suleman Octuplets Story- Thread #2

[LV-PRADAfanatic]

What is going on in her whack brain?

[divadivine682]

Well, in regards of hearing her allegations against AIW I'm wondering what exactly happened between the two (Nadya and the founder). I'm thinking the conversation could've went like this:

Founder- "if you keep allowing all these people into your home, you are putting the babies at risk of someone slipping in and kidnapping them. Look, a caucasion (sp?) woman would love Noah.." blah blah "they could easily fit into a purse"

What Nadya heard was exactly what she told radaronline..."she said someone would want my babies and she could just take them in her purse"

Now, I wasn't there so I could be wrong but Nadya has shown that she isn't exactly the most truthful trustworthy person out there and heard only what she wanted to hear of that warning/converstion. Granted, telling a mother how you could fit her baby into your purse may not be the smartest thing you could say but there IS some truth to it (if that is even how the conversation went of course....) since Nadya lets all these people who are technically strangers into her house around all those kids and babies. Stranger things have happened in more secure environments (ie: someone taking babies from hospital rooms right from the mother...etc). JMO.

[PinkSuadeSoho]

^Interesting point^ It sounds like AIW weren't very pleasant to deal with. I'm sure there was negative energy. However, since she hasn't been up front in the past, hard to know what to believe from Nadya.

[karmenzsofia]

I can't wait to see what each side will say at Dr Phil's today and tomorrow.

We were in the middle of this particular discussion when the original thread got closed due to size, so I will post here what I and lovelygarments posted over there right before it got closed.
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Originally Posted by karmenzsofia
I'm looking at both sides here, and there's a very good chance she was impossible to deal with just like there's a very good chance that people took the vigilante role too far and she felt threatened by it--or both.

If I had kids and there were people in my house scrutinizing every little thing I do or not do because they think I'm wrong about everything and hate my guts like the rest of America, I would feel threatened too. Nobody, no one, could possibly escape criticism in this situation because opinions are relative, and once people decide you're "bad" or "wrong" everything you do is seen through that veil of "wrongness."

Let's put aside the number of kids, embryos implanted and the media for a moment. Most people would not be comfortable having total strangers in their house all day and night long, strangers who likely don't respect them nor their authority, who are constantly judging them, who could say anything to the media to get a few bucks or their 15 minutes of fame... That kind of invasion would be unbearable. Imagine others claiming power and authority over your children, calling the shots in your house where you're hostage to their judgment and threats of taking your kids away. There's no way--no way.

I would want and need people whom I trust. Anyone else would not do regardless of the number of kids and the urgent need for care.

People will say "she asked for it" because of the choices she made. Fine. Whether she triggered the chain of events that would lead to this or not, this would likely be an intolerable situation for any mother, IMO.

Do I agree or defend what she did in having all these kids? No. But I understand her reluctance to opening her house to people she can't trust and who represent a threat to her. At least she's taken action by having her nannies (friends?) over at Kaiser being trained to care for the kids.


Originally Posted by lovelygarments
Agree with you on this, Karmen. I'm sure Gloria Allred has her own agenda on this one. Write a book? She gets a %% of the fees that the nurses receive??? Don't know, but that lady is always sticking her nose in places that it doesn't belong.

If people want to help these babies, they don't need to receive publicity-laden kudos for doing so. Angels in Waiting/Gloria Allred/Dr. Octophil all are in the same boat as far as I'm concerned. Angels in Waiting (I can't remember if that is what they are called or not) were being paid. They are not donating their time. I am sure Gloria Allred was/is receiving something. Dr. Octophil is definitely receiving something - increased ratings! I wonder how many contracts he has shoved toward Octomom re:

There are churches, hospitals, etc., that can help coordinate the volunteer effort. I trust them so much more as far as their "game plan," than Gloria Allred and Dr. Octophil.

While I don't condone Octomom's actions in her conspicious consumption of implanted embryos, I can understand her feeling that she might be undermined by these paid nurses who are operating under the auspices of Gloria Publicity Hound Allred.

As much as I dislike Octomom, if I lived in her vicinity I would sign up to volunteer to help. Call me crazy, but I would. And I would keep my personal opinions re: her choices - to myself. I would concentrate on the babies.


Originally Posted by karmenzsofia
OMG, woman, you just put on black and white what I've been thinking about these people. Here's the thing: whether they care about the babies or not, they have ulterior motives--period, of that I have no doubt. I would rather have help from people who are there ONLY for the babies than for people who are there for the babies AND other motives, such as access to the octuplets, fame, money...advance their careers or agendas somehow. I can't blame Nadya or anyone in that position for not wanting Linda, Gloria and Phill calling the shots in her house/life.

And, like you, I too would volunteer--hek, even if it's just one hour a day, or a few a week--to help with the babies.

[Jayne1]

Gloria Alred was on TV this morning and said that the nurses from AIW are there to report, just as any nurse would have to report if something was amiss.

The nurses said that Nadya was just going in to change a diaper, etc when the cameras were rolling. The nurses did everything.

I've been saying this since the beginning, before she brought the babies home from the hospital... she let her mother do everything, all the drudgery, all the crappy stuff. Her kids are like dolls to her, as someone here posted.

So why would it be different now that she has more babies and more people to help with them?

[karmenzsofia]

True, yet that (letting the nannies do most of the work) would be no reason to report her to CPS or take her kids away.

[Jayne1]

Maybe the rules change when you have a family of 14? With 8 newborns? Maybe they look at the person, who is also a single parent, with different expectations?

[lovelygarments]

O.K., I'm taking my words back - "I refuse to watch Dr. Shill." I'm tuning in today. I can't help it. I'm weak.

[karmenzsofia]

^ We forgive you. Curiosity demands we watch. What I usually do is watch the beginning because the rest often turns out to be more of the same...

[karmenzsofia]

Originally Posted by Jayne1

Maybe the rules change when you have a family of 14? With 8 newborns? Maybe they look at the person, who is also a single parent, with different expectations?

I see what you mean, but the laws are very clear about what's Ok and what isn't.

[Jahpson]

Originally Posted by PrettyInPink

Crap, College Basketball is on during Thursday's show.

[Leah411]

Originally Posted by karmenzsofia

True, yet that (letting the nannies do most of the work) would be no reason to report her to CPS or take her kids away.

With the sheer number of children, helpers would have to do most of the work.

BUT...if they are observing that the mother is not engaging with the children at all...not doing the cares...if she is indeed only doing a token care here and there and especially only when cameras are rolling...that would be cause for concern.

Right now, I have ONE person to care for. My husband lost a leg last year, had more surgery this year..and he was home for a couple of weeks before having to be re-hospitalized last Thursday. It took ALL of my time to care just for him (he is not independtly mobile at this time). Just running out for groceries or medications or medical supplies took enormous logistical juggling. There is no way in hell that I have time to go out and get my nails done or spend $1000 at the MAC store or any of that kind of stuff. Yes, she does have helpers, so she does not 'have to' be personally hands-on 24/7, but she also has FOURTEEN children. Giving any kind of attention to that many souls is simply going to take a lot of time, so I'd really like to know how she has so much leisure time that she can run around appearing on TV shows, shopping, getting manicures, etc.

If she doesn't want Angels in Waiting, she can send them to my house. My husband will eventually get out of the hospital and I will have to figure out how to care for him 24/7 AND hold down a full-time job (something Nadya has chosen not to do for quite some time now). I don't have money for help and I sure as hell don't have people coming to me and offering it. She should be grateful that people are willing to step up and help her take care of all those babies.

[lovingmybags]

Is there just one nanny? Someone would have to pay me a lot to take care of 14 kids...

[karmenzsofia]

I was just watching Dr. Phill and she described exactly what I thought was going on: that she had a bunch of strangers in her house, that they were calling the shots at the nursery, that some were undermining her as a mother, that they kept watching her like a hawk any time she picked up a baby, fed them, changed a diaper, just waiting for her to make a mistake, that the nannies kept her in the dark, would not communicate...that one of them said anyone could take one of the babies in her handbag... One of the AIW nurses is saying that she was concerned the kids would be abducted, so she called CPS. Give me a break. Any kid anywhere could get abducted.

I totally believe her. She has raised six kids. She knows how to hold, feed, change a baby, yet she's being treated like a total idiot because of what we understand to be a dumb choice to have so many kids. Again, I'm not defending her choice to have a ton of kids when she has next to no resources, but these are her kids--not Dr. Phil's, not Gloria's, not AIW's. Because of the media and Dr. Phil's intrusion here, people have taken what I think is an inappropriateownership of these kids. That's taking it too far, IMO. Nadya should not have to answer to any of these people, but they feel entitled and she feels threatened. And to this day, just now, she's still responding to them when she could easily say, "You know what? I'm done explaining myself..." and carry on with her nannies, volunteers, whatever. Honestly, who the f#ck does Gloria think she is?

If they were my kids, there's no way I would allow someone else to be calling the shots in my and their lives, not without a court order.

[karmenzsofia]

Originally Posted by lovingmybags

Is there just one nanny? Someone would have to pay me a lot to take care of 14 kids...

No, she has a group of volunteers who are being trained by Kaiser.