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Old Aug 8th, 2008, 12:50 AM   #1
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From CP: http://canadianpress.google.com/arti...10Rftd_g4tjmyw

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Angry mothers pack a Vancouver clothing store in a breastfeeding protest

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VANCOUVER — A menagerie of nursing mothers, their babies, older children, some fathers, baby strollers and the media crammed clothing store H&M Thursday in a breastfeeding protest.


The women were angry over a store clerk's request to Manuela Valle last week to move to a change room while she nursed her two-month-old baby.
Veronica Polanska, one of the organizers of the so-called "nurse-in", said the protest wasn't about Valle or H&M specifically.


She said the women wanted to draw attention to the outrage they feel when any business suggests nursing in public is shameful and should be hidden.


"It's about every business, whether it's an airline or whether it's a restaurant, whether it's a pool ... it doesn't matter where it happens, it's not acceptable."


Astrid Lalonde didn't know Valle, but brought her six-week-old baby girl because she said society seems to have a poor perception of women who breastfeed in public, yet cleavage seems to be predominant.


"Breastfeeding is not a sexual thing," she said.


"But it is sad in our society where breasts are the one thing, or the one asset, that women can show to flaunt to get men. When I'm breastfeeding my child, I'm not trying to get a man."


Six years ago, when Yolonda Kozak was on a Vancouver bus, another woman reached over and disconnected her son as she was nursing him.


"I was such a new mother, I didn't have anything to say," she said.
Since then Kozak has been an advocate for public breastfeeding. "Now you can't stop me."


Valle had planned to take her complaint to the B.C. Human Rights Tribunal.
In 2000, the B.C. Human Rights Commission issued a policy and procedure manual on the issue of breastfeeding and expressing milk in public.
"Entities that provide public services (or) facilities customarily available to the public also have a duty to accommodate lactating women," the policy states.


The policy even spells out that mothers are allowed to breastfeed or express milk on public benches found in shopping malls, museums, hospitals and restaurants.


H&M didn't return phones calls for a requested interview.


Elisabeth Sterken, the national director of the Infant Feeding Action Coalition, said her organization constantly gets complaints from women being harassed when they nurse their babies in public.


She tells the story of a woman who was ejected from a lingerie shop while trying to nurse and another woman at a public pool where an attendant called the police when she refused to go to the washroom to nurse her child.


"It's offensive to women that that attitude persists," Sterken said of the negative reaction to public breastfeeding.


While seeing plenty of cleavage is a fashion statement, Sterken said breastfeeding hasn't yet been embraced.


"We have also run amok with the whole sexualization of breast and the nurturing side of breasts is just not something that is very visible," Sterken said.


"So there's still a lot of ignorance about the full capacity of breasts."


Sterken said most women in Canada - between 90 and 95 per cent - breastfeed their baby for some length of time after birth.


Marina Green, a lactation specialist at B.C.'s Women's and Children's Hospital, said for that reason, women nursing in public should be commonplace, but mothers still feel socially isolated.


Green said some women in the hospital's nursing groups who have no choice but to breastfeed in public "steel themselves" to take the unkind words or dirty looks from the public.


Both Green and Sterken agree that attitudes towards public breastfeeding are slowly shifting, but not fast enough.


Green said taking the issue to a human rights tribunal is probably one of the best ways to get the message across.


"The fact that it's news is remarkable in this day and age. We really have a long way to go in terms of shifting deep-seated attitudes."
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Old Aug 8th, 2008, 01:06 AM   #2
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Oh I am so not going to start on this thread.................
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Old Aug 8th, 2008, 01:08 AM   #3
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Hmm.. interesting, I'm not quite sure what to say about their display ?

Personally though, and perhaps it is just me, even though the law allows it, I don't think I could take advantage of the breastfeeding in public law.
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Old Aug 8th, 2008, 01:16 AM   #4
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Yeah, I would still cover up with a blanket or those big hats that go on the baby.
But for those who want to, why not? - it's not like you can see anything anyway.
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Old Aug 8th, 2008, 01:25 AM   #5
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Thats strange. I'm pretty sure in Ontatio (or at least in Toronto) woman can go topless in public if they so wish. Wonder if its the same in BC. Provincial law confuses me.
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Old Aug 8th, 2008, 01:37 AM   #6
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The fact of the matter is that most people hear "breastfeeding in public" and think of a woman whipping off her top when in reality most women breastfeed discreetly. I always used a nursing cover (as illustrated in the random google image search picture I've attached) and still got funny looks, including being directed to a dressing room. This may have been the case at H&M.
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Old Aug 8th, 2008, 03:44 AM   #7
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^^^ITA! Although i have seen some whip it a la maggie ghylenhal.

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It's just ignorance.

So many people don't realize that with a single easy-to-learn and absolutely free-to-execute maneuver of the muscles surrounding the cervical vertebrae**, anyone can instantly transform the entire contents of their field of vision, and thus enjoy a whole view-ful of things that they do like to see! And as many times as they like - with no worries about hidden fees or excessive use charges!

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Old Aug 8th, 2008, 11:33 AM   #9
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apples and oranges.

Breastfeeding and cleavage are two different things.

I see some women whipping their breasts out before the baby is ready to feed. It makes people uncomfortable, I dont want to walk down the aisle and see someone flashing everybody.

I definitely believe in nursing covers (got one for my bestfriend at her baby shower, it was like a top you just place the baby under and feed)
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Old Aug 8th, 2008, 11:37 AM   #10
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To me, and this is JMO, I don't like it when I see a woman breast feeding her child in public. It makes me feel uncomfortable, plus, that is such an intimate act, like a bonding experience.

I too would never be able to take advantage of the breast feeding in public law.
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This made me LOL (and I don't care if it makes me a wee bit juvenile to admit! ):

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"So there's still a lot of ignorance about the full capacity of breasts."
Admittedly, when I see a woman breastfeeding in the open a la Maggie G, my first reaction is a strong "Whoa!" and instantly looking away. But when I see women breastfeeding with some sort of cover-up, I can't help but smile -- I mean, it's a baby! getting his/her nourishment from mommy! How sweet is that!
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Just because I need to take a pee doesn´t mean I´ll do it in public (no offence to all the worlds public nursing mothers)
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Wow, some of the posts in this thread shock me. The female body is one of the most beautiful forms that has ever existed. Should the Louvre remove the numerous sculptures in it's collection that show bare breasted women? What about the Venus de Milo? What makes that any different than a woman feeding her baby? That is the most beautiful and unselfish act I can imagine... if you don't like looking at it, then stop staring. There are plenty of other social car accidents you can look at if you are so inclined.
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A few years back, when I use to work at Banana Republic we had a mother who requested a large changing room to breastfeed her child. She was buying a lot of clothing (she had just moved from Australia from Summer to our Winter) and she didn't want to run outside or sit in the store to feed her child.

I personally don't find breastfeeding uncomfortable. It's a natural thing! But I guess some people might find it uncomfortable and (there's a possibility) that it was other customers themselves who perhaps requested a SA to direct the mom to a changing room? Or they felt that it was a favour to give her a private room?

In many parts of Vancouver, most people aren't that conservative (example; we have legalized same sex marriages) and it's just surpising to hear breast feeding is frowned upon!
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I have breast-fed on an aeroplane and a bus and some people made me feel really uncomfortable by peering at me (and if you think about it, everybody is in forward facing seats) but they still managed to have a good look. I was wearing a nursing bra and a top that had a nursing flap so it's not as if I was flashing anything at anybody, so I thought it was all fairly discreet. My baby was hungry and I did what anybody breastfeeding a baby would do.
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