Mother who forgot baby in car wants changes made to car seats

[Vegas Long Legs]

The beauty of TPF is that most of us are mature enough to partake in a discussion where both sides are presented. If one finds the need to insult the other side, maybe this discussion really isn't for them. Is that what we retreat to when not getting our way or being told something we don't want to hear?

Just because someone says they wouldn't sue, is believe it or not, just not good enough for most companies when running risk analysis. Why should it be, that's one person. To ignore the number of lawsuits today file by professional 'victims' & their attorneys, would be insane.

Do you know the airlines could make better planes & be safer? The cost is just too high & they actually plan on losing a number of 'lives' per year. Its cheaper for them to pay out lawsuits. So business don't always make decisions based on what we think is logic or reason.

Businesses are started by people who think they know a better way or have a passion for something. So have at it! I think it'd be great if someone wants to fill this need.

[merika]

Originally Posted by Jahpson

*violins playing* When I was a child, my brother and I had the less then fancy child seats back in the 80s-90s then there are today, and my mother and father NEVER forgot us. Self-responsibility is something she needs to embrace. Modern contraptions cannot make us better and alert parents!

Your parents are just one isolated set of many millions of parents the world over. Parents, at least most of them who try to be responsible parents do try their best, all the time. Some people do make mistakes.

Why are there rumble strips along the sides of the roads? Well, if everyone was a better and alert driver no-one would need this modern contraption, would they? Why does each highway waste hundreds of thousands of dollars constructing them? People are tired, people fall asleep at the wheel, PARENTS fall asleep at the wheel while they drive their kids around.

A majority of parents don't intentionally let their kids come to harm, and I cannot believe the negativity in this thread.

[kroquet]

Well, I am certainly not being negative, I just feel that people should take responsibility for their actions. I truly feel for the parents that have lost a child, but it does not, IMO excuse the fact that they were incredibly irresponsible.

I will say again that we have become a society filled with the sense of entitlement and the need to shift responsibilty elsewhere.

What's next? Diapers with alarms when they need to be changed? At least we wouldn't have diaper rash.

[olialm1]

What an idiot. People like this shouldn't be allowed to reproduce! I feel bad because of the situation, but it was her fault, and the only reason her child passed away was because of her stupidity. Poor baby though.

[Jahpson]

Originally Posted by merika

Your parents are just one isolated set of many millions of parents the world over. Parents, at least most of them who try to be responsible parents do try their best, all the time. Some people do make mistakes. Why are there rumble strips along the sides of the roads? Well, if everyone was a better and alert driver no-one would need this modern contraption, would they? Why does each highway waste hundreds of thousands of dollars constructing them? People are tired, people fall asleep at the wheel, PARENTS fall asleep at the wheel while they drive their kids around. A majority of parents don't intentionally let their kids come to harm, and I cannot believe the negativity in this thread.

It's my personal opinion. I don't speak for anybody in this or any threads.

[Jahpson]

Originally Posted by kroquet

Well, I am certainly not being negative, I just feel that people should take responsibility for their actions. I truly feel for the parents that have lost a child, but it does not, IMO excuse the fact that they were incredibly irresponsible. I will say again that we have become a society filled with the sense of entitlement and the need to shift responsibilty elsewhere. What's next? Diapers with alarms when they need to be changed? At least we wouldn't have diaper rash.

I completely agree and its getting tired...

[Jahpson]

Originally Posted by chag

Violins playing? Wow. Compassion gone to hell in a handbasket with that one. Like I've said and others too accidents can, will and do happen regardless of just how careful you think you're being. Obviously it will never happen to you or anyone you know, at least you hope.

thank you for your opinion. I stand behind my post...

[merika]

Originally Posted by kroquet

Well, I am certainly not being negative, I just feel that people should take responsibility for their actions. I truly feel for the parents that have lost a child, but it does not, IMO excuse the fact that they were incredibly irresponsible. I will say again that we have become a society filled with the sense of entitlement and the need to shift responsibilty elsewhere. What's next? Diapers with alarms when they need to be changed? At least we wouldn't have diaper rash.

I don't understand what you mean. Did the mother not take responsibility for her actions and serve her sentence?

I just can't equate people thinking that just because you try to make something safer for a child, somehow means you are encouraging parental irresponsibility. Where's the logic?

[Veelyn]

Originally Posted by charlie

well, it is hard for me to believe you can forget your child just like that. it was not a few minutes, an entire work day, it is just unreal..... i don't know how to explain it but to me, putting sensors and what not on the seats is not what some people need, they need to pay more attention. well, i agree with the person that say such actions need to be punished. It may not solve the problem but it may, in this specific case, prevent it from happening again. i am sorry if i am being too harsh or if i am offending anyone but i also think how could someone be ready to have another child that soon... She was already pregnant three months after her daughter was dead. I think she should have gone to prison on top of community work.

ita!

[kroquet]

Originally Posted by merika

I don't understand what you mean. Did the mother not take responsibility for her actions and serve her sentence? I just can't equate people thinking that just because you try to make something safer for a child, somehow means you are encouraging parental irresponsibility. Where's the logic?

This mother may have plead guilty, but how many others do not.

Sorry, JMO, but I just don't understand how someone would need an alarm to remind them that their child is in the car.
Making things safer in this case, is not the same as safer toys, for example. This is keeping children safe from the forgetfulness of the parent. To me, the two are completely different issues.

[shy*violet]

Originally Posted by Roo

I actually got a little angry when I read the article, bella. The reason is that if there are alarms placed on car seats and they don't work right, then the parent gets to sue the alarm company for negligence if their child dies. It totally removes the responsibility for remembering your child is in the car from the parent.

I agree 100%. I wouldn't blame the car seat companies one bit because there are TON of sue-happy people in this country for every one person who says they 'wouldn't sue'.

It's hard to even say if you would or wouldn't until you're in that position.

I think it's so heart breaking when I hear stories like this, but like others have mentioned, parents need to rely on THEMSELVES to pay attention and act responsibly.

Machines are made to make things easier... and it's gotten to the point that humans are just so lazy now... they are demanding more and more things be invented so that they don't have to think about it... something else does the work for them. It's a bit ridiculous.

[nataliam1976]

Originally Posted by chag

I do believe she plead guilty did she not so that would be a sign of taking responsability right?

Not saying that its the case here or that is was the only motive, but pleading guilty is a common way of avoiding trial and often getting your sentence reduced in return. Its not always a sign of people feeling responsible for what they have done unfortunately.

[chag]

Originally Posted by Vegas Long Legs

The beauty of TPF is that most of us are mature enough to partake in a discussion where both sides are presented. If one finds the need to insult the other side, maybe this discussion really isn't for them. Is that what we retreat to when not getting our way or being told something we don't want to hear? Just because someone says they wouldn't sue, is believe it or not, just not good enough for most companies when running risk analysis. Why should it be, that's one person. To ignore the number of lawsuits today file by professional 'victims' & their attorneys, would be insane. Do you know the airlines could make better planes & be safer? The cost is just too high & they actually plan on losing a number of 'lives' per year. Its cheaper for them to pay out lawsuits. So business don't always make decisions based on what we think is logic or reason. Businesses are started by people who think they know a better way or have a passion for something. So have at it! I think it'd be great if someone wants to fill this need.

Well I looked and the only thing I can find that would be considered insulting would be the post containing *violins playing* which in my response I didn't state an opinion it was actually more surprise than anything. And you're absolutely right the PF is where civil discussions take place and if there is someone who is out of line I'm sure they would be straightened out by a mod but so far as I see at the moment there is no one here that is out of line at all. There are two definite sides to the story, one that is that the mother has suffered through this tragedy and the other that she hasn't suffered enough, so be it. For you to say that the ones defending her are childish and insulting in their endeavor to have the other side heard well in my humble opinion, is wrong

[pursewatch]

Originally Posted by kroquet

Well, I am certainly not being negative, I just feel that people should take responsibility for their actions. I truly feel for the parents that have lost a child, but it does not, IMO excuse the fact that they were incredibly irresponsible. I will say again that we have become a society filled with the sense of entitlement and the need to shift responsibilty elsewhere. What's next? Diapers with alarms when they need to be changed? At least we wouldn't have diaper rash.

I agreed, this is the excuse for all frivolous lawsuits in this country. It's never their fault, it's always someone's else.

[chag]

So we all agree this is a horrible thing that has happened. The mother was at fault totally, no one is denying this but the thing I just don't understand is the resistance showing at what she is trying to do now, to prevent this from happening to another mother? There are millions and millions of wonderful caring parents out there who would never EVER in a trillion years think anything like this would ever happen to them BUT it does so why would bullying the car makers or inventing a device that tells you something is in that seat be such a bad idea. Someone invented a fan that fits to the window of a car to cool it why is it such a bad idea to have an alarm just as your fasten seat belt one for a child? An ounce of prevention, remember that old saying?