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Couturegrl · Jun 25th, 2009, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by kroquet

Just a little food for thought:

What if the busy, stressed out Mom dropped off her kids at daycare and accidentally forgot to drop the puppy off at the Vet and he died from the heat. Would charges be filed and how would we feel about that?

Legaldiva - I suspect that CPS is keeping an eye on her

It would be equally as disgusting.

Both babies and animals are helpless when trapped inside a vehicle. It is the adult's responsibility to make sure that they are safe and protected.

KatsBags · Jun 26th, 2009, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by kroquet

I can't get over the fact that she had been warned before and still did it.

If she stopped to get doughnuts that morning, did she take the baby out and take her in the store and then forget her, had she already forgotten her or did she purposely (as on other occasions) leave her in the car while she bought the doughnuts?

nataliam1976 · Jun 26th, 2009, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by KatsBags

If she stopped to get doughnuts that morning, did she take the baby out and take her in the store and then forget her, had she already forgotten her or did she purposely (as on other occasions) leave her in the car while she bought the doughnuts?

she forgot the baby outside her workplace after she had bought the doughnuts.

kroquet · Jun 26th, 2009, 05:45 PM

She left her house and realized it was too early to take the baby to the sitter, so she went to get doughnuts, leaving the baby in the car, then forgot and just went straight to work.

KatsBags · Jun 26th, 2009, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by nataliam1976

she forgot the baby outside her workplace after she had bought the doughnuts.

That's true but when she bought the doughnuts before going to school, the baby was in the car, correct? From what I understood, because it was too early to drop her off at the sitter's, she'd run her errand first, then drop her off (which, obviously, never happened).

So, did she take the baby into the store with her? I don't think she did, as evidenced by the other times she left her kids in cars (by her own admission). At that point, then, the baby was already forgotten in her mind.

Bella · Jun 26th, 2009, 09:52 PM

Can I just say that leaving a child(ren), a baby, in the car alone purposefully is negligent. I don't care how quick you're going to be, take them. PERIOD. The only reason why a parent wouldn't is because it's too much trouble for whatever reason. The #1 reason I hear, they're sleeping. Oh well. Wake em up or do it another time. YES, it takes effort to take them out of the car and into the store and then put them back into the car seat. So! Do it.

I don't know about anybody else, but I remember this being a big issue when I was growing up. Seemed like you saw children alone in cars all the time. Parents would even tell their kids to stay low, hide so people couldn't see them.

Juicy · Jun 28th, 2009, 12:26 PM

These types of stories scare me. I'm not a mother but i hope one day to be one and worry that i could do the same thing!

sweetneet · Jun 28th, 2009, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Bella

Can I just say that leaving a child(ren), a baby, in the car alone purposefully is negligent. I don't care how quick you're going to be, take them. PERIOD. The only reason why a parent wouldn't is because it's too much trouble for whatever reason. The #1 reason I hear, they're sleeping. Oh well. Wake em up or do it another time. YES, it takes effort to take them out of the car and into the store and then put them back into the car seat. So! Do it.

I don't know about anybody else, but I remember this being a big issue when I was growing up. Seemed like you saw children alone in cars all the time. Parents would even tell their kids to stay low, hide so people couldn't see them.

i agree 100%. i am appalled at how many parents purposely leave their children unattended in a car while they are out at the post office, making a quick shopping run, etc. in many states i think it's illegal to leave children unattended in vehicles for any period of time.

and going back to the case on Oprah, i'm willing to bet that when she went to pick up the donuts, she purposely left her daughter in the car (because it was just a minute or two) and that's how she ended up forgetting her. i mean, i can see that after picking up the donuts and getting back in the car, that's when she forgot her daughter was there and she went on autopilot to go to the school. on the show she claims that her purposely leaving her daughter in the car for a few minutes on previous occasions was "completely unrelated" from the day she forgot her daughter in the car, but i disagree. i mean, parents sometimes leave children in cars "for just a minute" and once they're inside store they somehow get distracted (they run into a friend, they get a phone call, etc) and they forget about the kids that way.

kroquet · Jun 28th, 2009, 03:19 PM

^^I think I agree with that Sweetneet. I still have a real problem with this incident, due to the fact that she was warned and left her in the car at the doughnut shop. I watched the Oprah show until I couldn't stand listening to her and turned it off. It seemed to be all about "her". IDK, if she had never left her baby in the car, I might feel differently.

daniellesmommy · Jun 28th, 2009, 04:37 PM

I'm a mother of 3 and how in the heck can you forget about your child in the back seat in a car seat?

daniellesmommy · Jun 28th, 2009, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by Charlie

Well, it is hard for me to believe you can forget your child just like that. It was not a few minutes, an ENTIRE work day, It is just unreal..... I don't know how to explain it but to me, putting sensors and what not on the seats is not what some people need, they need to pay more attention.

WELL SAID!!!! If they can't even remember they have children in the car with them then they have a problem. I don't care how busy you are or how your routine is different, etc. It's just no excuse!

LulaMaeBarnes · Jun 28th, 2009, 09:52 PM

Perhaps instead of a sensor in the carseat they could have a babycam that slips over the back of the front seat and connects to a monitor by the dashboard, like you often see for GPS systems so you can always have an eye on the carseat. it would make forgetting about the baby much harder.

Panda1 · Jun 29th, 2009, 09:08 PM

Stating that there should be changes made to cars is shifting the blame and responsibility away from the parent. Cars have been around since the early
20th century. How many parents have left and forgotten their child for an ENTIRE day as opposed to the number of people who drive or have driven cars? There was nothing wrong with her car.

bipolarbear · Jun 29th, 2009, 09:52 PM

I know others have said the same, but this is not the responsibility of any product to fix. Mothers have had children for thousands of years and have managed not to leave them behind (in cars, wagons and caves) despite distractions far greater than donuts.

To have a child is to accept the greatest responsibility that exists in the world. In return, there are the greatest rewards possible.

This infant died a terrible death. One might say this mother has suffered enough, but it is less than reassuring to hear her shift the blame and go on to have another child immediately after.

It's wonderful when products are designed that make it so innocents are protected from the consequences of irresponsibility, and kudos to those products that do this, but it then shifts legal responsibility to those carrying the products which is not fair, but the way our system is currently constructed.

I'd love to see a world in which we all have more rights - but when are we going to start accepting the responsibilities that come with them?

(end of rant)

kroquet · Jun 29th, 2009, 10:15 PM

Jun 26th, 2009, 05:45 PM	#259
kroquet Menopausal M. O. B. Joined: Sep 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 9,471	She left her house and realized it was too early to take the baby to the sitter, so she went to get doughnuts, leaving the baby in the car, then forgot and just went straight to work.
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Jun 26th, 2009, 09:52 PM	#261
Bella Earth to Bella Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 4,347	Can I just say that leaving a child(ren), a baby, in the car alone purposefully is negligent. I don't care how quick you're going to be, take them. PERIOD. The only reason why a parent wouldn't is because it's too much trouble for whatever reason. The #1 reason I hear, they're sleeping. Oh well. Wake em up or do it another time. YES, it takes effort to take them out of the car and into the store and then put them back into the car seat. So! Do it. I don't know about anybody else, but I remember this being a big issue when I was growing up. Seemed like you saw children alone in cars all the time. Parents would even tell their kids to stay low, hide so people couldn't see them.
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Jun 28th, 2009, 03:19 PM	#264
kroquet Menopausal M. O. B. Joined: Sep 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 9,471	^^I think I agree with that Sweetneet. I still have a real problem with this incident, due to the fact that she was warned and left her in the car at the doughnut shop. I watched the Oprah show until I couldn't stand listening to her and turned it off. It seemed to be all about "her". IDK, if she had never left her baby in the car, I might feel differently.
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LulaMaeBarnes Member Joined: Jul 2008 Location: US Posts: 2,052	Perhaps instead of a sensor in the carseat they could have a babycam that slips over the back of the front seat and connects to a monitor by the dashboard, like you often see for GPS systems so you can always have an eye on the carseat. it would make forgetting about the baby much harder.
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Jun 29th, 2009, 09:08 PM	#268
Panda1 Member Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 260	Stating that there should be changes made to cars is shifting the blame and responsibility away from the parent. Cars have been around since the early 20th century. How many parents have left and forgotten their child for an ENTIRE day as opposed to the number of people who drive or have driven cars? There was nothing wrong with her car.
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Jun 28th, 2009, 12:26 PM	#262
Juicy Young, Fab and Broke Joined: Feb 2006 Location: England Posts: 1,209	These types of stories scare me. I'm not a mother but i hope one day to be one and worry that i could do the same thing!

Jun 28th, 2009, 04:37 PM	#265
daniellesmommy Member Joined: May 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 3,491	I'm a mother of 3 and how in the heck can you forget about your child in the back seat in a car seat?

Jun 29th, 2009, 09:52 PM	#269
bipolarbear Member Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 640	I know others have said the same, but this is not the responsibility of any product to fix. Mothers have had children for thousands of years and have managed not to leave them behind (in cars, wagons and caves) despite distractions far greater than donuts. To have a child is to accept the greatest responsibility that exists in the world. In return, there are the greatest rewards possible. This infant died a terrible death. One might say this mother has suffered enough, but it is less than reassuring to hear her shift the blame and go on to have another child immediately after. It's wonderful when products are designed that make it so innocents are protected from the consequences of irresponsibility, and kudos to those products that do this, but it then shifts legal responsibility to those carrying the products which is not fair, but the way our system is currently constructed. I'd love to see a world in which we all have more rights - but when are we going to start accepting the responsibilities that come with them? (end of rant)
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Jun 29th, 2009, 10:15 PM	#270
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