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As Colin Cowherd said "Man,boy,touching & shower" Those 4 words in the same sentence equals nothing but trouble! Why didn't Paterno see this??

And I'd like to add that there was more than one reported incidence of this behavior. Read the GJ report. That's where Paterno & Penn St failed!

Originally Posted by PurseCrazyGal

Just wondering what some thoughts are around here. I think it was the right move. Like I said on twitter "Jo Pa is involved because he chose NOT to get involved'" He exercised poor judgement & shoulda/coulda done more and chose not to. He basically admitted wrong-doing when he said "in hindsight I shoulda done more" The fact is he could have prevented this disgusting child molesting piece of crap from doing more harm to childrens' lives and he didn't! Had he still coached these games,they woulda been a rally for him which is totally wrong IMO. Penn St....you finally made a right call. A lil too late tho! Where were ya back in '98?!!

I agree 100% with your sentiments. I was SO relieved to read that Penn St trustees made the RIGHT decision. JoePa's press conference stating he would coach the rest of the season infuriated me - the scum was trying to take control of the situation. Frankly, I think they all should be up on criminal charges....

Originally Posted by merika

I wonder what kind of person would see an adult male having sex with a small boy in a shower and not call the police immediately. It wasn't like the boy was in his mid-to-late teens and his actual age was hard to decipher.

it really causes myself to wonder if the ones covering up for this guy are not also p***philes themselves, protecting "their own". Any other sound individual would be so outraged that they would report it immediately to the highest authority available to them.

Originally Posted by merika

I disagree. Each time Paterno stepped out on the field as coach he would be representing Penn State, not himself. And at this time, with the current allegations that he 'passed the buck' when someone reported the abuse of a child, he cannot, in clear conscience, do that. Paterno had connections, he was a powerful man in the community. Someone who saw an act of abuse came to him, and told him what he witnessed. He had a responsibility, and his responsibility was even greater because of the image he projected in the community. Have you read the grand jury report? *PLEASE USE CAUTION. SOME PARTS ARE GRAPHIC* http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploa...resentment.pdf

thank you for the link. it was the most disturbing 23 pages i have read in a long time. I wish the investigation sparked by victim 6 was not closed; probably could have ended Sandusky's crimes earlier.

Originally Posted by bagnshoofetish

it really causes myself to wonder if the ones covering up for this guy are not also p***philes themselves, protecting "their own". Any other sound individual would be so outraged that they would report it immediately to the highest authority available to them.

shoo, did you read the part of the janitor Jim who saw an incident?

Originally Posted by miss alice

thank you for the link. it was the most disturbing 23 pages i have read in a long time. I wish the investigation sparked by victim 6 was not closed; probably could have ended Sandusky's crimes earlier.

I couldn't even read the entire thing. So many people chose to look the other way. The most frustrating thing is that this isn't exclusive to this uni. This kind of crap happens everywhere.

Originally Posted by miss alice

shoo, did you read the part of the janitor Jim who saw an incident?

I got as far as page 12. Too disgusting.

Originally Posted by bagnshoofetish

I couldn't even read the entire thing. So many people chose to look the other way. The most frustrating thing is that this isn't exclusive to this uni. This kind of crap happens everywhere.

According to the indictment, McQueary saw Sandusky raping the child estimated to be age 10 (aka victim 2) and both Sandusky and the child saw McQueary. McQueary just walked away. WHY didnt McQueary say "get your hands off that child?" I mean, he saw a rape occurring in front of him and he didnt say/do anything but just walked away? I would suspect some type of immediate reflex reaction would be at least "what are you doing" or something to that effect.....


According to the news, McQueary was promoted after this scandal and he will be coaching on Saturday.

This whole situation is beyond tragic and I dont think the University is handling it correctly.

Originally Posted by miss alice

According to the indictment, McQueary saw Sandusky raping the child estimated to be age 10 (aka victim 2) and both Sandusky and the child saw McQueary. McQueary just walked away. WHY didnt McQueary say "get your hands off that child?" I mean, he saw a rape occurring in front of him and he didnt say/do anything but just walked away? I would suspect some type of immediate reflex reaction would be at least "what are you doing" or something to that effect..... According to the news, McQueary was promoted after this scandal and he will be coaching on Saturday. This whole situation is beyond tragic and I dont think the University is handling it correctly.

its disgusting. it reminds me of the "old boys network" I experienced in the music biz. they all cover up for each other. they believe that minding their own business and turning the other way is some sort of "man code" no matter how horrible the conduct. the ones who wouldn't cover up would just stay quiet not to rock the boat and be ostracized. it was every man for himself. everyone always watching their own back so their status wasn't jeopardized. I'm really not surprised at any of this to tell you the truth. I love when stories like this come out though - you hope it will put people on notice who are guilty of looking the other way from now on.
when it comes to p***philia, I wholeheartedly believe that those who cover up for perpetrators are guilty themselves of the same acts. you won't call attention to something if it is eventually going to lead to being found out yourself.

I, too, have sympathy for only the victims. I can't believe the grad student didn't stop what he saw. Omg, that's horrifying.

As for those who knew... None of them deserve any respect. I don't care who lost their job (they should rot somewhere and not be held up in a high regard). I am heartbroken that children were molested and raped by this man, in fact, all of these men because they all let it continue.

I'm praying for the victims and not the evil doers...

Originally Posted by Compass Rose

My boot is not pointy enough for his a$$.

Lol! Mine isn't either...for any involved!

nicci404

Yes they didn't want to hurt the schools image. They were more worried bout that than those poor children. Uggh disgusting!

Pres. Graham Spanier was also fired.

http://news.yahoo.com/penn-state-wor...191733217.html

Originally Posted by miss alice

i know what the police said. I also know why he wasnt charged, im an attorney as well and I worked in criminal division before going to civil practice. I, however, do feel that the manner in which Paterno was fired was not justified based on his INACTION. I feel that the Board fired Paterno in this way to assuage the public opinions more so than "doing the right thing." I agree that Paterno's INACTION was morally reprehensible. But, I am all about giving out punishment that fits the "crime." Its about appropriateness to me, not caving into popular public opinions. Basically, McQueary (witness) saw the alleged crime. Told his dad, then his dad told him to tell Paterno. What McQueary said to Paterno is in dispute, bc McQueary never called the cops or reported to anyone else. McQueary is the witness to the alleged crime! You can believe McQueary's account. I personally think if he were so distressed by witnessing a crime then he would have told the cops or at least wrote something down. Next, Paterno reports this HEARSAY allegation to his boss, Curley. Curley and Schultz, 2 men with POWER over Sandusky, decides to do nothing other than to bar his access to facilities....O..K..... Note, Paterno had no power over Sandusky at this time. Now, lets look at what Penn State did to others who actually HAD the power and DUTY to handle this matter. 1) Penn State Athletic Director Tim Curley -- requested to be placed on administrative leave so he could devote the time needed to defend himself against perjury and other charges. He was granted this request. 2) Gary Schultz, vice president for finance and business-- stepped down into retirement. 3) McQueary-- the then grad assistant who was the WITNESS to the alleged crime-- still has a job. 4) Paterno-- received a hearsay statement from McQueary, reported to Curley, did not call the cops was FIRED after 61 yrs. I know emotions run high whenever a child is involved in an alleged crime...but I dont believe that a SECONDARY source (Paterno) should be punished in this manner where as the PRIMARY source (witness and others in charge) were treated with a slap on the wrist and another kept his job.

I agree with this. I believe that Paterno fulfilled his responsibilities according to the law. But, I also see why people are so upset with him, as one of the news programs said “he is quite possibly the most influential man in Pennsylvania.” People are upset because he had the influence and ability to stop it, yet he only preformed his legal responsibilities, not what most people would consider moral responsibilities.
I feel terrible for the children and families involved in this, and sadly, this isn’t a one-time thing. It happens all the time and there are many children who are victims of this.