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Old Aug 13th, 2008, 12:19 PM   #1
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Exclamation If I roll my eyes any faster they will pop out, Spanish team respond to photo

BEIJING – Pau Gasol sat courtside with his feet dunked in a bucket of ice as the irony of ironies unfolded around him.
The Los Angeles Lakers center had just finished training Wednesday at the Beijing Language and Culture University, where students from around the world gather to learn Mandarin and promote international understanding.
Four days into the most global of events, and surrounded by buildings which foster social harmony across all colors and creeds, Gasol had to apologize for the actions of a Spanish men’s basketball team that made Asian “slant eyes” at the camera for a sponsor’s advertisement and thinks it’s OK.
Around him, his teammates and coaches reacted to the criticism homing in on them from around the world with a mixture of embarrassment, confusion and some mild defiance. The ad in question was for a Spanish courier company, Seur, but the Spanish team also counts the athletic shoe and apparel company owned by Li Ning – the former Chinese Olympian who lit the torch at this summer’s Games – among its sponsors.


Jose Calderon of the Toronto Raptors has spent the last three years in North America, but he didn’t get it. He could still not understand how an action with such deep racial undertones had generated so much attention. In his mind a non-story became a story only when it was blown out of proportion by journalists with a mind for mischief.
“We did it because we thought it was going to be something nice, something with no problem,” Calderon told Yahoo! Sports. “But somebody wants to talk about it. It is too much of a big deal with you guys (the media) and everybody talking about that.”
Head coach Aíto García Reneses didn’t get it, either. Reneses comes from an older generation of Spanish society, one which has little time for the politically correct niceties of the modern world.
“If I go to play with a taller team and I put here (raising up on the tips of his toes) it is not an offense,” Reneses said. “I can’t understand anything more.”
But Gasol got it. He didn’t get it when the Spanish courier company persuaded the players to pose with their index fingers stretching their eyes to a thin slit at a team media day, but he sure as heck gets it now.
“Some of us didn’t feel comfortable doing it just because to me it was a little clownish for our part to be doing that,” Gasol said. “But the sponsors insisted and insisted. I think it is just a bad idea I guess to do that, but it was never intended to be offensive or racist against anybody.

“I didn’t find it very funny. I didn’t find it offensive, either. I guess some guys didn’t mind. To me I don’t want to be that way, I guess, to be doing that stuff.

“If anybody feels offended by it we totally apologize for it. We never meant anything offensive by it.”
The advertisement has regularly run as a full page in Spanish sports daily Marca soon after the picture was taken on July 1. However, it only came to prominence after it reached the attention of the Guardian newspaper in London this week.
Spanish sports is no stranger to racial controversy.

Luis Aragones, the head coach of Spain’s men’s soccer team, was overheard telling his player Jose Antonio Reyes to “tell that black (expletive) you are better than him” at a training session in 2004. Aragones was referring to Thierry Henry, a black player from France who was then a teammate of Reyes at English Premier League club Arsenal.
Aragones also struggled to understand what all the fuss was about, even as anti-racism groups seethed and soccer’s power brokers held their heads.
At a Formula One motor racing testing session this year, a group of Spanish fans believed to be supporting home driver Fernando Alonso were pictured with their faces covered with black paint. They wore T-shirts with the slogan “Hamilton’s Family,” a reference to Alonso’s world title rival Lewis Hamilton, a black Englishman.
Moreover, at an exhibition match in Madrid in 2004, several black members of the England men’s soccer team were subjected to monkey chants and whistles whenever they touched the ball.
Back in Spain, there has been no criticism of the advertisement, just support for a group of players who shoulders the hopes of a nation. Members of the Spanish media who spoke to Yahoo! Sports on Wednesday could not grasp why the issue had garnered so much publicity.
And while Gasol, in many ways the public face of Spain’s basketball team, sensed the photo was not a great idea, he refused to back down from his assertion that no harm was intended.
“If you put it in the wrong context and put it with the wrong people or a different kind of people, you could take it that way,” he said. “But not with our group and not with our people. I would find that a wrong read.”


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Old Aug 13th, 2008, 12:20 PM   #2
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can they be anymore thick?

of course you wouldn't be offended ya big dope!! your not the one who was the target behind those sick poses!!!

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Old Aug 13th, 2008, 12:26 PM   #3
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of course you wouldn't be offended ya big dope!! your not the one who was the target behind those sick poses!!!

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Old Aug 13th, 2008, 01:52 PM   #4
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as they say in the south: he's dumber than a fence post
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Old Aug 13th, 2008, 01:58 PM   #5
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Sounds like they just apologized because people got mad. Not because they realized they did something extremely effed up.

I just don't understand why they don't think it's offensive.
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Old Aug 13th, 2008, 02:10 PM   #6
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this makes me sick...
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Old Aug 13th, 2008, 02:38 PM   #7
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The photos of what Spanish fans did at the F1 race are just shocking....
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Old Aug 13th, 2008, 03:30 PM   #8
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My fiancee is asian and he saw the ad and I don't think I've ever seen him laugh so hard in his life...

Some people don't get it and others just don't care. It really sounds like the team had no idea what they were doing. I grew up being called a dago and a Guidette and I had no idea what that meant at the time.
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Old Aug 13th, 2008, 03:54 PM   #9
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Aside from being offensive, they just look stupid. Really, I thought only the immature seven-year-old boys on the playground did that.
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Old Aug 13th, 2008, 06:28 PM   #10
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Sounds like they just apologized because people got mad. Not because they realized they did something extremely effed up.
If these guys don't get it, maybe they too shouldn't get it in 2016 either, (the summer games in Spain). Just because not every Asian is protesting the pictures doesn't mean its less offensive. If American NBA players posed like this, they'd really lose sponsors and get a serious media lynching.
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Sounds like they just apologized because people got mad. Not because they realized they did something extremely effed up.

I just don't understand why they don't think it's offensive.

I agree!
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...I just don't understand why they don't think it's offensive.
And they just don't understand why you do.
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Aside from being offensive, they just look stupid. Really, I thought only the immature seven-year-old boys on the playground did that.
Lol that's what I'm thinking. What's the point of doing that anyway?
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wow. i think they DO look silly and being asian myself i do feel like they are making fun of Asians.
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This whole controversy reminds me of another thread on here a while back, a popular comedian was caught on tape in a racist rant, and at one point I mentioned a double standard of outrage, referring to the regularity with which a popular Spanish language variety show features jokes and material that not only have I personally felt was offensive, but I feel safe in saying that should anything similar appear on an English language show, would be roundly and almost universally condemned, yet never have I seen anyone take objection to Don Francisco's longstanding habit of making fun of Asians on a show with an audience larger than - well, let's just say it's large.

Anyway, someone replied to my comment saying that "people never heard of Don Francisco."

I don't think she meant that to be offensive, and I think if I had tried to explain to her why it was, it would be like trying to explain either side of this controversy to the other. However in fairness, lots of populations throughout history and across the globe use the same word for "people" as they do to describe their tribe or group.

In fact, accepting that the Other is also human is a good first step in overcoming anti-Otherness, or as some of our brilliant and scholarly tPF sisters call it, "I-Thou."

One could talk oneself blue in the face trying to explain the outrage to a person from Spain who did not feel that the photo was offensive, and s/he would still not get it, and you would be left with a blue face.

And the same for the other way. I don't think that explaining that the Spanish team did not mean it to be offensive is going to be illuminating to people who are offended.

If they haven't already, various talk shows will start trotting in sociologists who will pontificate about hetero vs homogeneous populations, historians with portentous harrumphings about The Colonial Mind in the Twenty-First Century, and the picture around the televised picture will still be similar to an offline scene I saw last night.

A sixty-ish gentleman from a small village in Mexico so remote that even after half a millennium since the invasion, few of the men have become "mixed" enough to grow moustaches, got up and turned off the family TV.

"Spaniards," he said, shaking his head. "What can you expect?"

East and west have not only met, but gotten married and had several babies. But that by no means invalidates the concept of "never the twain shall meet."

It's just not always the twain we anticipate...
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