Detla/Northwest Jet Overshoots Airport by 150 Miles

[LV-PRADAfanatic]

yikes... flying is as bad as driving on the road

[surferchick2]

Wierd a flight attendant would knock when there's an interphone. I'm sure they didn't know they passed the airport, but if they had spoke with them within a reasonable time, may have asked when they would descent so they could prepare. Kind of sounds asleep to me or something was on the wrong frequency.

[karmenzsofia]

Strange...

[ssc0619]

Originally Posted by boxermom

DH is a retired airline pilot and he thinks they were asleep because in the cockpit they have regular radio contact with various air traffic control centers as they fly across the country. He said if he didn't hear anything on the radio for about 10 minutes or so, he would check to see if the radio was on the correct frequency. Pilots would never go a long time without some contact with controllers, if nothing more than to say, "Kansas City, you still there?" for example.

They had other pilots yesterday saying the same thing. That is common procedure to have contact every 15 minutes. Unless they were in a brawl with punching and hair pulling I can't imagine forgetting about everything going on around you.

[Vegas Long Legs]

Originally Posted by redney

Call me a terrible person but I hope they do. There is simply no room for irresponsibility in the cockpit in commercial aviation. Regardless if they were in a heated discussion or sleeping, it's totally unacceptable to be completely incommunicado with ATC and unaware of their situational surroundings when the safety of passengers and crew is in their hands.

I'm with you. 140+ people were on this flight. Their lives were in these pilots hands. Shame on the pilots for letting this happen.

[Sinful Indulgences]

Horribly negligent, inexcusable! No contact for 1 1/4 hr., that must be a hell of an argument!

[lorihmatthews]

I'm flying this airline in December, I guess I'll be checking my watch often!

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http://news.aol.com/article/feds-pro...rshot%2F732996

Pilot of Plane That Missed Airport Speaks

WASHINGTON (Oct. 24) — The first officer of the Northwest Airlines jet that missed its destination by 150 miles says there was no fight in the cockpit, neither he nor the captain had fallen asleep and the passengers were never in any danger.

But in an interview with The Associated Press two days after he and a colleague blew past their destination as air traffic controllers tried frantically to reach them, pilot Richard Cole would not say just what it was that led to them to forget to land Flight 188.

"It was not a serious event, from a safety issue," Cole said in front of his Salem, Ore., home. "I would tell you more, but I've already told you way too much."

Air traffic controllers and pilots tried for more than an hour Wednesday night to contact Cole and the flight's captain, Timothy B. Cheney, of Gig Harbor, Wash., using radio, cell phone and data messages. On the ground, concerned officials alerted National Guard jets to prepare to chase the airliner from two locations, though none of the military planes left the runway.

"We were not asleep; we were not having an argument; we were not having a fight," Cole told The Associated Press.

He would not discuss why it took so long for the pilots to respond to radio calls, "but I can tell you that airplanes lose contact with the ground people all the time. It happens. Sometimes they get together right away; sometimes it takes awhile before one or the other notices that they are not in contact."

The Minneapolis Star Tribune, citing an internal Northwest document it said was described to the newspaper, reported that Cheney and Cole began what was to be a five-day flying stint Tuesday with a flight from Minneapolis to San Diego. The newspaper said the pair had a 19-hour layover before Wednesday's return flight.

A police report released Friday said the pilots passed breathalyzer tests and were apologetic after the flight. The report also said that the crew indicated they had been having a heated discussion about airline policy.

But aviation safety experts and other pilots were deeply skeptical they could have become so distracted by shop talk that they forgot to land an airplane carrying 144 passengers. The most likely possibility, they said, is that the pilots simply fell asleep somewhere along their route from San Diego.

"It certainly is a plausible explanation," said Bill Voss, president of the Flight Safety Foundation in Alexandria, Va.

Unfortunately, the cockpit voice recorder may not tell the tale.

New recorders retain as much as two hours of cockpit conversation and other noise, but the older model aboard Northwest's Flight 188 includes just the last 30 minutes — only the very end of Wednesday night's flight after the pilots realized their error over Wisconsin and were heading back to Minneapolis.

Cheney and Cole have been suspended and are to be interviewed by National Transportation Safety Board investigators next week. The airline, acquired last year by Delta Air Lines, is also investigating. Messages left at Cheney's home were not returned.

FAA spokesman Tony Molinaro said in general, an unsafe condition created by a pilot could lead to the suspension of the person's pilot license and possibly a civil penalty.

With worries about terrorists still high, even after contact was re-established, air traffic controllers asked the crew to prove who they were by executing turns.

"Controllers have a heightened sense of vigilance when we're not able to talk to an aircraft. That's the reality post-9/11," said Doug Church, a spokesman for the National Air Traffic Controllers Association.

NTSB spokesman Keith Holloway said fatigue and cockpit distraction will be looked into. The plane's flight recorders were brought to the board's Washington headquarters.

The pilots were finally alerted to their situation when a flight attendant called on an intercom from the cabin.

Voss said a special concern was that the many safety checks built into the aviation system to prevent incidents like this one — or to correct them quickly — apparently were ineffective until the very end. Not only couldn't air traffic controllers and other pilots raise the Northwest pilots for an hour, but the airline's dispatcher should have been trying to reach them as well. The three flight attendants onboard should have questioned why there were no preparations for landing being made. Brightly lit cockpit displays should have warned the pilots it was time to land.

"It's probably something you would say never would happen if this hadn't just happened," Voss said.

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The pilots were finally alerted to their situation when a flight attendant called on an intercom from the cabin.

So, apparently the flight attendants did notice that they weren't descending...

[surferchick2]

My guess is he/she spoke with them just prior to losing contact and was given a a time then, and contacted them for an update, not necessarily something was wrong other than being placed in a holding pattern. There may have been connecting passengers also. A crew member I spoke with said you can turn the volume down on the radio (which to me shouldn't be at all), but that it's strange to be that preoccupied. However, another pilot from another plane was able to get through, so it's wierd they were contacted on another frequency.

[boxermom]

Originally Posted by surferchick2

Wierd a flight attendant would knock when there's an interphone. I'm sure they didn't know they passed the airport, but if they had spoke with them within a reasonable time, may have asked when they would descent so they could prepare. Kind of sounds asleep to me or something was on the wrong frequency.

You are right-that makes no sense. Maybe someone mis-spoke, but an FA could've contacted them somehow to ask why they were late in landing preparations. The pilot's story still doesn't ring true.

[surferchick2]

The thing is, this particular voice recorder only records 30 minutes, so any convo could be staged. This comes right after a delta plane landed on a taxiway instead of runway. Captain I spoke with said thats way worse because they wouldn't have had time to clear the space in time.

On this note, it could have been disasterous if it had been determined a hijack and they had to prove they were in control. If it had been much longer, I hate to think about it since they had the fighter jets ready.

[Vegas Long Legs]

Of course the airline would think it was hijacked!
I'm sorry but I have to trust my pilot. They are proving themselves to not be trustworthy. As long as these guys have a job with NW, I would never fly NW.

Would they have shot down an airplane full of passengers? OMG the thought of that is beyond horrific.

[underthesky]

This is terrible

[carousel eyes]

Why can't the pilot say why they overshot the airport? If they said it was nothing serious, it makes me wonder if they're lying...