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BagAngel · Jun 1st, 2009, 07:32 PM

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor...TICLE_15292606

That ladies interview is in the above link. She just sounds so positive that her husband will come home, said she is not concerned at all, it is very sad!

I cannot understand how they cannot know where the plane came down. Anyone can track a flight visually on Flightstats! I watched my son's plane fly across the Atlantic last year (ok I am a super worrier mother) surely there would be some tracking to show the location?

My condolences to all the families, not to be able to retrieve bodies or get answers will mean these poor people will never get proper closure. Horrible!

This is very worrying:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor...Been_Stretched

dressage queen · Jun 1st, 2009, 07:58 PM

well, i have to post a correction - i'm in an airline family, and this is a classic case of family members not communicating very well. when we were discussing this this AM i was misunderstood and and they thought i was asking just about lightning and not thunderstorms. they all agree that airliners will fly around thunderstorms when possible, but it's the winds rather than the lightning that's the problem.

i also discovered that the A-330 is entirely electronic/computerized as far as the controls go - old planes had cables and the like going from the controls to the thing being controlled (e.g., from the rudder control to the rudder), but on the A-330 there is no actual connection between the controls and the moving parts - there are something like 200 computers on it! one of the reports i read said that the plan had radioed about electronics problems, but kept flying - can't help but wonder whether that had anything to do with it. but i find it hard to believe that a flight would contiune over the atlantic rather than turn around if it WERE experiencing electronics difficulties.

so anyway, what i said before goes for the lightning and not the rest of the storm. apparently commercial aircraft are built to withstand most thunderstorms, but they try to avoid the storm cells anyway.

prayers to those involved and their families.

Vegas Long Legs · Jun 1st, 2009, 08:29 PM

[QUOTE=BagAngel;11180119]http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor...TICLE_15292606

I cannot understand how they cannot know where the plane came down. Anyone can track a flight visually on Flightstats! I watched my son's plane fly across the Atlantic last year (ok I am a super worrier mother) surely there would be some tracking to show the location?

I heard on NPR that Brazil refuses to let 'whoever/FAA?' handle the flight stats/trails/radar in their region which extends out into the Atlantic. So there is a non charted area in the Atlantic because Brazil doesn't cover it & Africa doesn't go out that far into the Atlantic. Its in the Atlantic ocean & is basically flyover area only so no one has picked it up.

John Nance who is a airline consultant thinks there is a 50/50 chance of it going down cause of an explosion.

BagAngel · Jun 1st, 2009, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by Vegas Long Legs

I heard on NPR that Brazil refuses to let 'whoever/FAA?' handle the flight stats/trails in their region which extends out into the Atlantic. So there is a non charted area in the Atlantic because Brazil doesn't cover it & Africa doesn't go out that far into the Atlantic. Its in the Atlantic ocean & is basically flyover area only so no one has picked it up.

That is so very unfortunate Vegas!

Vegas Long Legs · Jun 1st, 2009, 08:55 PM

I think it was blown up. Have they checked the passenger list?

HauteMama · Jun 1st, 2009, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by Vegas Long Legs

I think it was blown up. Have they checked the passenger list?

Why?? Surely there must be some reason to suspect this, as it didn't even seem to be a possibility in all the coverage I've heard. And why would anyone target a plane bound to Paris from Rio? While you could certainly be right (other people have far more knowledge/insight/information about this than I do), I would imagine that if terrorism were suspected someone might have brought it up to the media by now.

jayjay77 · Jun 1st, 2009, 09:27 PM

So tragic! My prayers go out to these people and their families.

Jahpson · Jun 1st, 2009, 09:29 PM

i dont want to be the doom of gloom, but this reminds me of JFK Jr.'s plane that went missing. Does anyone remeber that? It went off the radar and disappeared? I hope this isn't the same case

Compass Rose · Jun 1st, 2009, 09:31 PM

My prayers go out to all. I just think there is more to the story that won't come out for a few days.

BagAngel · Jun 1st, 2009, 10:03 PM

I don't know about the bomb theory. Didn't the crew report electrical failure before it went off radar? That wouldn't tie in with a bomb.

LV-PRADAfanatic · Jun 1st, 2009, 11:43 PM

very tragic and sad..why cant they find such a BIG plane with today tracking technology

TXGirlie · Jun 2nd, 2009, 12:22 AM

I just wanted to add that with oceanic crossings, jets typically drop off the radar after a few hundred miles from the coastline...this is normal actually. They just do position reporting until they are in radar contact again.
Given the area and time of year, it is highly likely that it was an in-flight break-up due to turbulence and lightning could have been a contributing factor. That would seem to match the few clues that we know so far. The weather radar should have shown any dangerous weather areas, and if it did, they could request a deviation from their course. Weather radar has it's limits though, and will only show actual precipitation. You don't have to be in or near a thunderstorm to get severe turbulence- it can also occur in clear air.

redney · Jun 2nd, 2009, 01:04 AM

Originally Posted by Jahpson

i dont want to be the doom of gloom, but this reminds me of JFK Jr.'s plane that went missing. Does anyone remeber that? It went off the radar and disappeared? I hope this isn't the same case

His case was much different since he was flying a single engine plane visually at much lower altitudes at night and it is thought he became disoriented (due to the lack of differentiation of the sea & horizon line) and misjudged the location of his plane relative to the water and crashed into it, likely not knowing until the last second. He also was wearing a cast on his foot at the time of the accident, thus complicating his ability to control the plane since there are foot controls on single engine Pipers.

(My SO is a pilot and knows one of JFK Jr's flight instructors and this is what is speculated in the flying community).

The AF jet was flying at 35,000 feet and from what many news reports and other posters are saying, there seems to have been a catastrophic malfunction with the plane's electrical system.

Very horrible and tragic for the people and their families.

ocgirl · Jun 2nd, 2009, 01:11 AM

This is just so tragic.

TXGirlie · Jun 2nd, 2009, 01:33 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,524180,00.html

Pilots flying a commercial jet from Paris to Rio de Janeiro for Brazil's largest airline, TAM, spotted what they thought was fire in the ocean along the Air France jet's route early Monday, the airline said in a statement e-mailed to The Associated Press.

"There is information that the pilot of a TAM aircraft saw several orange points on the ocean while flying over the region ... where the Air France plane disappeared," Amaral said.

"After arriving in Brazil, the pilot found out about the disappearance (of the Air France plane) and said that he thought those points on the ocean were fire."

Jun 1st, 2009, 07:32 PM	#31
BagAngel Louis Vuitton Addict Joined: Oct 2006 Location: UK Posts: 20,210	http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor...TICLE_15292606 That ladies interview is in the above link. She just sounds so positive that her husband will come home, said she is not concerned at all, it is very sad! I cannot understand how they cannot know where the plane came down. Anyone can track a flight visually on Flightstats! I watched my son's plane fly across the Atlantic last year (ok I am a super worrier mother) surely there would be some tracking to show the location? My condolences to all the families, not to be able to retrieve bodies or get answers will mean these poor people will never get proper closure. Horrible! This is very worrying: http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor...Been_Stretched
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Jun 1st, 2009, 07:58 PM	#32
dressage queen Member Joined: Aug 2006 Location: Location: Location: Posts: 4,804	well, i have to post a correction - i'm in an airline family, and this is a classic case of family members not communicating very well. when we were discussing this this AM i was misunderstood and and they thought i was asking just about lightning and not thunderstorms. they all agree that airliners will fly around thunderstorms when possible, but it's the winds rather than the lightning that's the problem. i also discovered that the A-330 is entirely electronic/computerized as far as the controls go - old planes had cables and the like going from the controls to the thing being controlled (e.g., from the rudder control to the rudder), but on the A-330 there is no actual connection between the controls and the moving parts - there are something like 200 computers on it! one of the reports i read said that the plan had radioed about electronics problems, but kept flying - can't help but wonder whether that had anything to do with it. but i find it hard to believe that a flight would contiune over the atlantic rather than turn around if it WERE experiencing electronics difficulties. so anyway, what i said before goes for the lightning and not the rest of the storm. apparently commercial aircraft are built to withstand most thunderstorms, but they try to avoid the storm cells anyway. prayers to those involved and their families.
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Jun 1st, 2009, 08:29 PM	#33
Vegas Long Legs In an Italian Villa Joined: Nov 2006 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 5,985	[QUOTE=BagAngel;11180119]http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor...TICLE_15292606 I cannot understand how they cannot know where the plane came down. Anyone can track a flight visually on Flightstats! I watched my son's plane fly across the Atlantic last year (ok I am a super worrier mother) surely there would be some tracking to show the location? I heard on NPR that Brazil refuses to let 'whoever/FAA?' handle the flight stats/trails/radar in their region which extends out into the Atlantic. So there is a non charted area in the Atlantic because Brazil doesn't cover it & Africa doesn't go out that far into the Atlantic. Its in the Atlantic ocean & is basically flyover area only so no one has picked it up. John Nance who is a airline consultant thinks there is a 50/50 chance of it going down cause of an explosion.
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Jun 1st, 2009, 08:55 PM	#35
Vegas Long Legs In an Italian Villa Joined: Nov 2006 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 5,985	I think it was blown up. Have they checked the passenger list?
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Jun 1st, 2009, 09:29 PM	#38
Jahpson Member Joined: Aug 2007 Location: The Playground Posts: 21,745	i dont want to be the doom of gloom, but this reminds me of JFK Jr.'s plane that went missing. Does anyone remeber that? It went off the radar and disappeared? I hope this isn't the same case
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Jun 1st, 2009, 09:27 PM	#37
jayjay77 Member Joined: Nov 2006 Location: New York Posts: 1,609	So tragic! My prayers go out to these people and their families.

Jun 1st, 2009, 09:31 PM	#39
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Jun 1st, 2009, 10:03 PM	#40
BagAngel Louis Vuitton Addict Joined: Oct 2006 Location: UK Posts: 20,210	I don't know about the bomb theory. Didn't the crew report electrical failure before it went off radar? That wouldn't tie in with a bomb.
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Jun 1st, 2009, 11:43 PM	#41
LV-PRADAfanatic Built Hot for LV Joined: Oct 2007 Location: That's ME ^_^ Posts: 14,305	very tragic and sad..why cant they find such a BIG plane with today tracking technology
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Jun 2nd, 2009, 12:22 AM	#42
TXGirlie Lovin Purple! Joined: Jul 2008 Location: North Texas Posts: 9,397	I just wanted to add that with oceanic crossings, jets typically drop off the radar after a few hundred miles from the coastline...this is normal actually. They just do position reporting until they are in radar contact again. Given the area and time of year, it is highly likely that it was an in-flight break-up due to turbulence and lightning could have been a contributing factor. That would seem to match the few clues that we know so far. The weather radar should have shown any dangerous weather areas, and if it did, they could request a deviation from their course. Weather radar has it's limits though, and will only show actual precipitation. You don't have to be in or near a thunderstorm to get severe turbulence- it can also occur in clear air.

Jun 2nd, 2009, 01:11 AM	#44
ocgirl Member Joined: May 2006 Location: OC, California, USA Posts: 2,848	This is just so tragic.

Jun 2nd, 2009, 01:33 AM	#45
TXGirlie Lovin Purple! Joined: Jul 2008 Location: North Texas Posts: 9,397	Fire in the Ocean? http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,524180,00.html Pilots flying a commercial jet from Paris to Rio de Janeiro for Brazil's largest airline, TAM, spotted what they thought was fire in the ocean along the Air France jet's route early Monday, the airline said in a statement e-mailed to The Associated Press. "There is information that the pilot of a TAM aircraft saw several orange points on the ocean while flying over the region ... where the Air France plane disappeared," Amaral said. "After arriving in Brazil, the pilot found out about the disappearance (of the Air France plane) and said that he thought those points on the ocean were fire."

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