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bag-mania · Dec 15th, 2008, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by Compass Rose

She's going to plead insanity.

It won't hold up. She's proven herself quite functional in her numerous efforts to cover up her crime. She knew exactly what she was doing, then and now.

karmenzsofia · Dec 15th, 2008, 03:47 PM

Planted? I wasn't even thinking about that. Someone asked about the skull and the rest of the bones being separated, and my thought is that if the body was in a bag that was and remained sealed, they would all be together in one place. If indeed the skull fell from the bag, as the guy said, then that indicates the bag was open, ripped, whatever, while exposed to the elements, which means there would be scattered bones in the area.

chiquen81 · Dec 15th, 2008, 03:50 PM

Can someone explain the insanity plea and how this works? I am thinking that she can't plead insanity because of her behavior afterwards. I still think she's "insane" but maybe not in the same way they describe "insane" to be? For instance, I heard someone say that if she truly were insane she would have just left the little girl in the trunk and not hid her in the woods.

karmenzsofia · Dec 15th, 2008, 04:00 PM

^ that would take forever, volumes of law bookZ! :)

In simple terms, for an insanity defense to be successful, the lawyers must prove that the defendant was legally insane at the time she committed the crime. To do so, they have to show that the person did not know the difference between right and wrong and that he/she suffers from mental illness. That's for what they call "cognitive insanity." There's also a defense under "irresistible impulse" which claims that although the defendant knows the different between right and wrong, he/she could not control his/her actions at the time of the crime because of a mental defect. This last one is not allowed in most states.

Roo · Dec 15th, 2008, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by chiquen81

Can someone explain the insanity plea and how this works?

I don't know Florida law specifically, but in many other states the insanity defense is hard to argue unless the person in question is extremely delusional. It is a very narrow definition and generally means that the defendant was not rational enough to know what they were doing was wrong. Andrea Yates comes to mind as someone who fit into that category. I highly doubt Caylee's Mother fits into that category. She's a sociopath and knew exactly what she was doing IMO....

chiquen81 · Dec 15th, 2008, 04:17 PM

Karmenzsofia - Thanks for the input. Why do you always end plural words by using a "z" instead of an "s"? Just curious...lol...

chiquen81 · Dec 15th, 2008, 04:20 PM

Ps - I am slow - so a sociopath is different from an insane person? i thought that being a sociopath IS being insane. since a sociopath is mentally incapable of having empathy for others, aren't they insane?

Roo · Dec 15th, 2008, 04:24 PM

Please let's stay away from personal attacks in this thread and stay on topic. Thank you.

karmenzsofia · Dec 15th, 2008, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by chiquen81

Karmenzsofia - Thanks for the input. Why do you always end plural words by using a "z" instead of an "s"? Just curious...lol...

Just for fun. My initials are KZ, and at some point I started writing "KongratZ" instead of "congrats" and "thanKZ" instead of "thanks." I play with the R a lot, too, and write the words as they sound rather than how they're spell. U KuD seY I'm a lil' nutZ...

Roo · Dec 15th, 2008, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by chiquen81

Ps - I am slow - so a sociopath is different from an insane person? i thought that being a sociopath IS being insane. since a sociopath is mentally incapable of having empathy for others, aren't they insane?

Sociopaths know what they are doing is wrong, but don't care. That's the difference. Its about the legal definition... a criminally insane person may think they are killing demons or protecting themselves from some imagined entity when they kill. Sociopaths kill for a variety of reasons that can include narcissism and power.

junebug35 · Dec 15th, 2008, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by karmenzsofia

Planted? I wasn't even thinking about that. Someone asked about the skull and the rest of the bones being separated, and my thought is that if the body was in a bag that was and remained sealed, they would all be together in one place. If indeed the skull fell from the bag, as the guy said, then that indicates the bag was open, ripped, whatever, while exposed to the elements, which means there would be scattered bones in the area.

Yeah I wasn't even thinking about anything being planted. Like you said Karmen...I was wondering how the bones got separated...

karmenzsofia · Dec 15th, 2008, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by chiquen81

Ps - I am slow - so a sociopath is different from an insane person? i thought that being a sociopath IS being insane. since a sociopath is mentally incapable of having empathy for others, aren't they insane?

Sociopathy, or Antisocial Personality Disorder, is one of many wayZ of a person can considered to be "insane."

This is a list of mental illnesses and/or disorders--not all indicate insanity, however.
ETA: There's a difference between the medical definition of insanity and the legal definition of insanity.

Adjustment Disorder

Anxiety Disorders

Childhood Disorders

Eating Disorders

Mood Disorders

Cognitive Disorders (Delirium, Dementia, Amnestic Disorders)

Personality Disorders

Schizophrenia & Other Psychotic Disorders

Substance-Related Disorders

karmenzsofia · Dec 15th, 2008, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Roo

Sociopaths know what they are doing is wrong, but don't care. That's the difference. Its about the legal definition... a criminally insane person may think they are killing demons or protecting themselves from some imagined entity when they kill. Sociopaths kill for a variety of reasons that can include narcissism and power.

Yeah, they truly don't care...total lack of empathy and remorse. And there's no cure or medication for that.

karmenzsofia · Dec 15th, 2008, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by Roo

Please let's stay away from personal attacks in this thread and stay on topic. Thank you.

[thanKZ, roo]

Investigators have found dozens of bones near the home of missing toddler Caylee Anthony, in a wooded area where a child's skull was discovered last week, ABC News affiliate WFTV reported today.

omgsweet · Dec 15th, 2008, 04:39 PM

nm. I refreshed and the post I was referring to is so far back...

Dec 15th, 2008, 03:47 PM	#32
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Dec 15th, 2008, 04:00 PM	#34
karmenzsofia Life is Plan Z Joined: Jun 2008 Location: Tarot Card Posts: 14,878	^ that would take forever, volumes of law bookZ! :) In simple terms, for an insanity defense to be successful, the lawyers must prove that the defendant was legally insane at the time she committed the crime. To do so, they have to show that the person did not know the difference between right and wrong and that he/she suffers from mental illness. That's for what they call "cognitive insanity." There's also a defense under "irresistible impulse" which claims that although the defendant knows the different between right and wrong, he/she could not control his/her actions at the time of the crime because of a mental defect. This last one is not allowed in most states.
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Dec 15th, 2008, 04:24 PM	#38
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Dec 15th, 2008, 04:39 PM	#45
omgsweet omg...cute bag!! Joined: Apr 2007 Location: Scottsdale, Az Posts: 2,963	nm. I refreshed and the post I was referring to is so far back...
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Dec 15th, 2008, 03:50 PM	#33
chiquen81 Member Joined: Feb 2008 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 362	Can someone explain the insanity plea and how this works? I am thinking that she can't plead insanity because of her behavior afterwards. I still think she's "insane" but maybe not in the same way they describe "insane" to be? For instance, I heard someone say that if she truly were insane she would have just left the little girl in the trunk and not hid her in the woods.

Dec 15th, 2008, 04:17 PM	#36
chiquen81 Member Joined: Feb 2008 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 362	Karmenzsofia - Thanks for the input. Why do you always end plural words by using a "z" instead of an "s"? Just curious...lol...

Dec 15th, 2008, 04:20 PM	#37
chiquen81 Member Joined: Feb 2008 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 362	Ps - I am slow - so a sociopath is different from an insane person? i thought that being a sociopath IS being insane. since a sociopath is mentally incapable of having empathy for others, aren't they insane?

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