3 year old child abducted from holiday apartment in Portugal (Thread #4)

[sarahcantiik]

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Exactly dallas!

[BagAngel]

Originally Posted by dallas

In my opinion, it is Madeleine who has paid the ultimate price. I shudder to think what she has been through and perhaps, is still going through.

Well said dallas
Madeleine has paid, probably the ultimate price with God knows what suffering before the end came if that is the case! This little child did not deserve this, she deserved to be protected by her parents who were in the words of her father, so lucky to have her, but did not choose to care for her & protect her from whatever ill has befallen her! There are many people in the world who are unable to have children, who would have loved & cared appropriately for this little girl!

[BagAngel]

Apparently Clarence Mitchell is annoyed that PJ did not inform them they were coming
http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=29213

[gillianna]

Clarence will have a few hours to do proper spin control......
What will probably happen is that people will refuse to answer questions and the UK higher ups will not do anything to give access to the Portugal police. I mean it has been said before much red tape in getting the Portugal police to do anything thru the UK........I think it will continue. Maybe they won't have proper papers and will not be allowed in the country.....LOL
Now if it was my child I would do anything I could to help the police in any way. I would answer any question and open my house to anyone who can help my child. But this seems to be the opposite with the McCanns. A big high paying PR guy and the best lawyers money can buy will protect them from doing anything with the Portugal police. Clarence will think of a few good reasons on why they can't do it and why they are being treated so unfairly. Maybe they will be posting more on their blog since the fund is getting low and think of a new way to try to get sympathy since the public is getting sick of the greedy things that have happened in the past......after the Spanish detictive agency one really has to question what they have done to "help" find Maddie...... But then again if you have friends in high places to protect you and friends with money to burn......anything is possible. Let's wait for the next spin...........................

[nataliam1976]

that PR guy is truly a piece of work !

[rubylola]

I agree that madeleine has paid the ultimate price, but I also agree that her parents have too. I have children and the worst thing I can imagine having to deal with, now that I am a parent, is what the Mccanns are (allegedly) enduring. I would rather- as a parent lose limbs, lose my house, my livelihood, be battered, be abused etc etc anything, than lose my children. As parents IMO they have paid the ultimate price- nothing could hurt a parent more.

[siri anne]

Originally Posted by rubylola

I agree that madeleine has paid the ultimate price, but I also agree that her parents have too. I have children and the worst thing I can imagine having to deal with, now that I am a parent, is what the Mccanns are (allegedly) enduring. I would rather- as a parent lose limbs, lose my house, my livelihood, be battered, be abused etc etc anything, than lose my children. As parents IMO they have paid the ultimate price- nothing could hurt a parent more.

ITA. Madeline has paid the price, but the parents no longer have their child and have to live the rest of lives knowing that if they made different decisions that night, Maddy might still be with them. I can't imagine the torture they face on a day to day basis.

[Lescoy]

Originally Posted by rubylola

I agree that madeleine has paid the ultimate price, but I also agree that her parents have too. I have children and the worst thing I can imagine having to deal with, now that I am a parent, is what the Mccanns are (allegedly) enduring. I would rather- as a parent lose limbs, lose my house, my livelihood, be battered, be abused etc etc anything, than lose my children. As parents IMO they have paid the ultimate price- nothing could hurt a parent more.

rubylola - ITA - but as parents we have the ultimate responsibility of caring, nurturing and at all costs keeping our children safe. In this world there is NO room for error - there are predators and dangers everywhere - nowhere, but nowhere (and I include our homes) is safe. The McCanns are paying the price for their negligence - and that is what it was - regret now is immaterial - their little girl has gone. I think for two professional people who obviously went through a tremendous amount to actually have children - their 'take' on a 'safe' situation was completely wrong. A split second is all it ever takes for an accident to happen - and quite honestly - to have left their children in this situation - was 'an accident waiting to happen'. I can't imagine what they are going through - and it may haunt them for the rest of their lives - but they were wrong. No amount of their regret will bring Madeleine back. The worst thing is that right now no-one knows what happened to her - well other than of course the person or persons who were involved. Right now its very possible that they may in fact never be brought to justice. For me that is a travesty. The McCanns need some form of closure - they all at least deserve that.

[rubylola]

Lescoy, I absolutely agree with everything you are saying, my point as that they are (probably, obviously I don't know what is in their heads) going through the very worst hell a parent could endure. This doesn't mean I don't think they were negligent- they were, but their negligence doesn't alter the fact that what they are going through is very probably the worst thing most parents could face.

[Lescoy]

Originally Posted by rubylola

Lescoy, I absolutely agree with everything you are saying, my point as that they are (probably, obviously I don't know what is in their heads) going through the very worst hell a parent could endure. This doesn't mean I don't think they were negligent- they were, but their negligence doesn't alter the fact that what they are going through is very probably the worst thing most parents could face.

rubylola - Oh I agree - it must be absolute hell, albeit self-inflicted. For me, if I were the McCanns, that would be the worst thing about it - knowing that my actions had caused the whole mess. Not only to not have my child but to in effect be the cause of that - I just don't think I'd be able to cope. I can't imagine how you could ever get over this.

[gillianna]

The McCanns LEFT their children alone night after night......there was also posts that they did it on vacation in Greece. This was a pattern of neglect for them. One does have to question their parenting skills. Now they want the world to feel sorry for them and have sympathy but the sorrow belongs to Maddie. The McCanns are going on with their lives. Who knows what happened to Maddie, who knows if the parents were involved. There are no answers but the McCanns PR spin always makes it about them and not Maddie. Bottom line is they cared more about eating and drinking the nights away then taking care of their children. It is a joke that no charges of neglect can be filed against them, in the US parents are charged with neglect....... The McCanns pain can't compair to anything Maddie went thru. She trusted them and they let her down. They are the ones who caused what ever happened that night to happen.

[sarahcantiik]

Originally Posted by BagAngel

Apparently Clarence Mitchell is annoyed that PJ did not inform them they were coming http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=29213

How dare he! CM can fook off!!!!!!!

[sarahcantiik]

http://tinyurl.com/yw8knh

Hope for McCanns as DNA summit fails to find conclusive link to Madeleine

29.11.07 Add your view

Forensic evidence is not strong enough to charge Kate and Gerry McCann in connection with their missing daughter Madeleine, it emerged today.


A team of senior Portuguese police and forensic experts spent all day discussing the DNA results gleaned by their British counterparts but are understood to have decided they are inconclusive.


Tonight, as it was officially confirmed by the Forensic Science Service (FSS) that their tests remain "ongoing", the McCanns' legal team called on the Portuguese police to lift their status as official suspects.


The couple's spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "Enough is enough. There can be nothing that incriminates Kate and Gerry because they are innocent.

"We are hopeful this meeting will help speed up the process eliminating Kate and Gerry from the inquiry.


"They just want the injustice of being suspects to end and the real job of finding Madeleine to resume in earnest.


"We are hopeful common sense will prevail and that Portuguese police will see Kate and Gerry have no case to answer.


"We urge the police to realise they are not implicated and we hope this meeting will show that.


"Forensic evidence - if there is any - is inconclusive or explicable, so they should be eliminated from the inquiry."


The four-strong Portuguese team, which includes Inspector Ricardo Paiva, the right hand man of Paulo Rebelo, the officer in overall charge of the inquiry, and Francisco Corte-Real, vice-president of Portugal's forensic crime service, Instituto Nacional de Medicina Legal, will fly home tomorrow.


They met with five experts from the FSS at Leicestershire Police station today to review and interpret the DNA results.


The FSS has been conducting the tests for the Portuguese authorities at the FSS's base in Birmingham for the last four months.

The tests are said to have been conducted on blood samples, bodily fluids and hair found in Mr and Mrs McCann's holiday apartment and in the car they hired 25 days after she disappeared.


It was the first time Mr Paiva, the senior investigating officer in the case, has come to Britain and only the second time Portuguese police have been here since Madeleine disappeared from her parents' holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on the Algarve on May 3.


Mr and Mrs McCann, both 39 and doctors, of Rothley, Leicestershire, were made 'arguidos', or suspects, in September.

It is understood that at yesterday's meeting the Portuguese team were told that all the tests done so far have proved inconclusive and have produced results which would not stand up in a court of law.


Inspector Paiva was under orders to ring Mr Rebelo immediately after the meeting to inform him of the outcome, a police source said.


Portuguese scientists wanted the meeting to determine how their UK counterparts had achieved results analysing samples they themselves had earlier deemed worthless.


An FSS spokeswoman said: "The tests remain on-going.


"We are a world-leader in DNA technology and are consulted on a daily basis by police authorities from all over the world.


"We are used to dealing with language barriers and it is not an issue in this or any other case."



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As posted in thisislondon.co.uk

[sarahcantiik]

Forensic evidence inconclusive, yet the tests are still on going? Which is it? I'm confused. Best not to give to much weight to the above article. No other news sources are reporting about the forensic evidence being inconclusive. Me thinks it's still not final yet.

[sarahcantiik]

A translation from Correio da Manha Nov 29 edition (taken from the mirror forum):
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Correio da Manha 29 Nov.
Highlights

Headlines

Investigation – Exchange of data

PJ and scientists go over the data in full detail

A delegation of four from Portugal are in Birmingham to share and exchange information with the scientists in Birmingham.

The group consists of one person from the Instituto Nacional de Medicina Legal, two from the Portuguese Police Scientific Laboratory, and an inspector from the PJ.

At 11.00 am today there is a meeting planned at police headquarters, Leicestershire. The group return to Portugal tomorrow evening.

The scentists in the Portuguese delegation will look at the methods used by the English laboratory to find what issues will be raised by the arguidos regarding this evidence.

Franciso Corte-Real will carry out a comparison study of the results found in the preliminary genetic tests in Portugal and what has been found in England.

The focus is not just to look at the data but to see how it sheds light on a criminal investigation.

The PJ hope to wind up the investigation before 3rd January. The DNA results are fundamental as, in the absence of a body, they might shed light on how the child died.

In the absence of a body or a confession, the only thing left is scientific proof regarding what could have taken place.

The full results may be brought back to Portugal by the team.

The McCanns hope the results will absolve them. A friend close to the family said “The Police are unlikely to say they were wrong and so are looking for a long term strategy to get out of the situation. We want them to admit the McCanns were not involved, and return to the kidnapping thesis”.

Clarence Mitchell, the spokeman for the couple said the Portuguese Police are not going to meet the McCanns. Regarding the current developments he said he is not surprised by the arrival of the team from Portugal and doesn’t consider it a significant development.

VESTÍGIOS NO CARRO MUDARAM RUMO

Evidence in the car changed the direction (of the investigation).

The first biological exams in Portugal were what led to the PJ changing the focus of the investigation. For many months they followed the kidnapping thesis until blood samples of the child were found in the car rented 22 days after the disappearance.

As the results were not absolutely conclusive, and only supported the thesis that the body had been hidden with a cover up of a kidnap, the investigators did not arrest immediately on the basis of the preliminary analyses. Today they are trying to consolidate their theory of the child’s death.

EVITAR CRÍTICAS INGLESAS

Avoid criticism from the English

The decision to send the biological evidence to England for analyses was a political move to prevent any form of criticism regarding the actions of the PJ.

Further the Birmingham laboratory has the latest techniques and is one of the best in the world.

LABORATÓRIO INGLÊS APLICA A TÉCNICA LOW COPY NUMBER

English laboratory applies the low copy number technique.

This method can identify DNA from very small samples of evidence, even mere fluids. The public got to first know of this method through the popular TV series CSI.

INGLATERRA E ESTADOS UNIDOS NA VANGUARDA

England and the US are at the forefront of this type of research.

The ideal in a crime scene is to combine what evidence was gathered through loposcopia (sorry I don’t know what this scientific term is) and afterwards genetic, as in the case of Madeleine. Countries that are highly specialised in this combined type of evidence gathering are England and the US.