I was talking about the Kelly with my sa the other day, I told her that I wanted the fabled black box 32cm kelly with GH. She made a face when she heard box, and said that they are getting rarer nowadays... So sad for me... She also said that GH is getting less popular. She then proceeded to recommend me other leathers. (I got to sit down and drink tea with her in the store! Woah!) From the murky reccess of my memory I asked for vache liegee - it being the recommended one for klutzy people like me; she didn't know what it was and brought a sample of evergrain in a wallet to let me see. It could be I didn't pronounce it right. I also got to see a sample of epsom and chevre, which I told her I'll settle for any of these 2. Both have a kind of shiny coated finish. So my question is : Shall I just wait for box as I want the smooth look? Is it really hard to maintain? Are there any other alternatives? Will epsom and chevre sag in a Kelly? I do want a structured bag that will hold its shape no matter what. Are these 2 leathers a good choice? Anyway, upon further readup of the leather thread, (thank you hermesgroupie!) I realised that there are 2 types of chevre. Should I specify one?