...um....one other thing......I forgot to mention that I've got a Vespa bag in Epson (I know it's not VL but it's CLOSE) that I toss on while I'm at work (pretty handy for toting around small work things, like pens, business cards, measuring tape......) anyway, I noticed that the edges/corners of this bag have rubbed and the color is off..........anyone have the same experience? AND would this same thing happen with Vache Liegee???????