I went through that thread about what daily make up you apply and have listed some products I am going to go and try. I have always used drug store brands and they just aren't cutting it for me. I want to find something I can swear by so it looks like I have to go name brand. So far this is my list : Urban Decay Primer Potion Bare Minerals ( not sure what shade yet) Dior Blackout mascara Nars Orgasm Smashbox jetset eyeliner Smashbox Photo op brightener Based off of these products, any other suggestions, I'm all ears...really anything would help. Also looking for a good concealer when I dont use BM. Another really random question but I think on page two of that tread, there is a pic of Kim from the Pussycat Dolls, you see how she as that shimmer in the corner of her eyes? I want to do that but don't know what to use cause eyeshadow is too clumpy! Thx!