I bought this one from Hgbags on eBay and apparently it's from the 08 S/S line. She called it Crimson and confirmed it was neither carmino nor cassis. It is a cranberry red. I was so worried I wouldn't like the color becuase it's hard to get an accurate read under florescent lighting, but I love it. Outside it's more canberry and inside I can see almost pink undertones. I was also very worried about the size. I agonized for days over the lrg vs. med veneta, and finally went with lrg cause I wanted the longer "drop" under the arm. Here she is! And I absolutely love her!!!