Wrt chevre leather, is havanne quite a dark colour or is it similar to chocolate in say togo ie. kinda milk chocolate? Also, I've seen cocoan IRL on chevre de Coromandel and it's a beautiful dark brown colour. How does this compare to havanne? Does havanne have reddish undertones? The only pic I've seen of havanne is of Eric Fam's Birkin but the lighting and resolution there wasn't the best so it's hard to truly ascertain the colour/shade. Also, is marron fonce a chevre colour? I know it's listed as one in the "Leather/colour availability" thread but I'm not so sure. Can anyone confirm? If it does indeed come in chevre as well, how does it compare to havanne and cocoan? I reckon it would be too close to cocoan to be offered as well in chevre but I might be wrong.