In case anyone is interested, I ordered these shoes from nm.com. Gray happens to be my current favorite clothing color so I pre-ordered them thinking they would be shipped in October, instead I got them two days ago. I find the cut to be a bit larger than my tortoise shell VP and as you can see there is less toe cleavage. The leather is very soft and I can tell they would be more comfortable than the tortoise shell. The color is quite dark and can look brown or even black and less shiny than the pic on nm.com.