I went in to bloomingdales to buy this bag: http://www.coach.com/aspx/content/product.aspx?product_no=8091&category_id=68 and the SA working with me said they were preselling for the sale on thursday ... 15% off, so that made the large hobo cheaper than the small one at retail! I don't get to pick it up until thursday, but hey. it made me happy to get out of there for under $180. also, I don't know if they're still in hard to find, but they had two fendi spy bags, one in the lighter brown and one in white. it was the bloomingdales in palm beach gardens, florida if anyone's interested. I don't know if that would be 15% off too, but I didn't think coach would be!