I tried to find some answers before I started to post this new thread, but couldn't find what I was looking for. I will see if I can express my question here. To get more of a rigide bag that hold the shape and stands up the best would you only order Togo leather? When you purchase Clemence does it squish and flop more and not hold shape as well? Does the stitching outside vs. inside really make any difference when it comes to how rigide the bag is in holding shape? So, can anyone answer the above? Also, if you had to group it...what leather types would you say to order if you want a rigide bag? What then would you order for a more relaxed bag?