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evekitti · May 14th, 2009, 01:50 PM

I came across an eternity band ring with each diamond slightly less than 1 carat. However, the jeweller said that at that size they don't come with GIA certs. I don't believe that because I bought a pair of earrings years ago, each was about 0.7 carat, and each was accompanied by a GIA cert. Does anyone know above which carat do diamonds come with certs?

transcendent1 · May 14th, 2009, 02:02 PM

I think that is perfectly reasonable. Some stones just don't have certs. The reason behind it is based on the jeweler's decision - sometimes a jeweler is targeting at a clientele that wants more of a guarantee and hence needs a cert for every stone, or another targets a client who just wants a bracelet that looks nice enough but doesn't care about the cert. There are good quality diamonds around without certs and not-so-good diamonds with certs. It is not necessarily based on carat weight. Usually diamond eternity rings and bracelets are built by "competent-looking" diamonds that don't require a cert, but I've also seen such items come with certs for each stone. I've seen certified diamonds that are less than .5 carat. 0.7 studs, a total of 1.4 is considered a rather big purchase, so it will probably come with a cert. 0.7 is much bigger than the .10 carat stone (each, I guess for that design) for the eternity.

ame · May 14th, 2009, 02:06 PM

Usually they cut them off between .25 and .5 cts.

evekitti · May 14th, 2009, 02:17 PM

Thank you for the information! The eternity ring I saw had Asscher diamonds, EACH about 1 carat or slightly less. Maybe 0.9ish. It was around USD90K. Shouldn't that sort of price warrant a guarantee?

Jenna51580 · May 14th, 2009, 02:39 PM

Honestly for 90K you should buy something with a GIA certificate.

macska · May 14th, 2009, 08:28 PM

I worked at a high-end jewelry store a few years back and they issued certificates to diamonds of 1 carat or greater. Anything smaller didn't come with one. Unfortunately, I don't remember the reason why.

H0UST0NELV · May 14th, 2009, 11:09 PM

maybe its because the jeweler doesn't want to send off the diamond to GIA to get its certified because it'd cost him money too.

dearmissie · May 15th, 2009, 05:30 AM

Originally Posted by H0UST0NELV

maybe its because the jeweler doesn't want to send off the diamond to GIA to get its certified because it'd cost him money too.

evekitti · May 15th, 2009, 10:59 AM

Does it cost a lot to get a gem certified by GIA?

Steelsapphire · May 15th, 2009, 11:53 AM

evekitti-----Check out the GIA website. A wealth of info there, including the fees.

evekitti · May 15th, 2009, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Steelsapphire

evekitti-----Check out the GIA website. A wealth of info there, including the fees.

Thanks! It didn't occur to me to check the GIA website. Apparently it doesn't cost a lot to get a diamond graded, a mere fraction of the price of what a diamond would retail for. I wonder why some jewellers don't bother doing it. Surely, it'll help convince a potential client.

Thanks again steelsapphire for the tip.

ame · May 15th, 2009, 12:29 PM

Check out this company--they don't come with certs either but I own a round diamond band from there and it's AMAZING.

http://facetscollection.com/search.c...e_number_id=53
http://facetscollection.com/search.c...e_number_id=14

lorenzo94580 · May 15th, 2009, 09:50 PM

OT but I was just at the jeweler today and they said to keep your GIA cert in a safe place because it costs $300 to replace it! Never knew that thing costs so much to replace!

black jade · May 16th, 2009, 02:03 PM

What the jeweler may mean is that under 1 carat the GIA does not issue certificates, it issues GIA documents, an abbreviated kind of paper. But he is being disingenuous since he is not offering you that either.

You have to be the one to decide whether or not you want to spend $90K without knowing exactly what you are getting. that's what GIA certs (or AGS, they're just as good) do for you. The in-house gemologist may be good but he/she does have some pressure on them to bump up the stones color and/or clarity just a little. They are not impartial like the independent gem labs. And with diamonds, they may look very pretty and also sometimes even the same to the naked eye, but there is a real price difference between a .95 carat and a one carat for instance, or between an F VVS and a G SI1.
to me, a good reason to forego a certificate i(EGL USA can also be okay, I wouldn't bother with IGI or some of the others) is if the diamond is really, really cheap, which is not the case here. You also are not going to have as good resale value (such as it is) without a certificate unless you have some name on the bracelet, such as Tiffany. So if I were you, in this case, I would go elsewhere.

guccikat · May 16th, 2009, 03:01 PM

http://www.gia.edu/lab-reports-servi...rts/index.html

I came across this on the GIA site.. it might be either the stones are already mounted as GIA only generates reports of loose stones. Or the diamonds might not meet the requirements of getting graded by GIA.

May 14th, 2009, 01:50 PM	#1
evekitti OP Member Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 832	GIA certificates I came across an eternity band ring with each diamond slightly less than 1 carat. However, the jeweller said that at that size they don't come with GIA certs. I don't believe that because I bought a pair of earrings years ago, each was about 0.7 carat, and each was accompanied by a GIA cert. Does anyone know above which carat do diamonds come with certs?
evekitti OP Member Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 832

May 14th, 2009, 02:06 PM	#3
ame Member Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,843	Usually they cut them off between .25 and .5 cts.
ame Member Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,843	__________________ Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular. I LOVE SEWNSATIONAL! Things I want.... -Balenciaga Twiggy -Anna Corinna Jetsetter/Jetsetter Jr. -More Anna Corinna Mini Citys -Mulberry Mabel -Rebecca Minkoff MA/MAM ...it's good to want things.

May 14th, 2009, 02:17 PM	#4
evekitti OP Member Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 832	Thank you for the information! The eternity ring I saw had Asscher diamonds, EACH about 1 carat or slightly less. Maybe 0.9ish. It was around USD90K. Shouldn't that sort of price warrant a guarantee?
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May 14th, 2009, 02:39 PM	#5
Jenna51580 Member Joined: May 2007 Location: Athens, Greece and Long Island, New York Posts: 1,461	Honestly for 90K you should buy something with a GIA certificate.
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May 14th, 2009, 11:09 PM	#7
H0UST0NELV Member Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 116	maybe its because the jeweler doesn't want to send off the diamond to GIA to get its certified because it'd cost him money too.
H0UST0NELV Member Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 116

May 14th, 2009, 02:02 PM	#2
transcendent1 Mr Lau's Harem Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,508	I think that is perfectly reasonable. Some stones just don't have certs. The reason behind it is based on the jeweler's decision - sometimes a jeweler is targeting at a clientele that wants more of a guarantee and hence needs a cert for every stone, or another targets a client who just wants a bracelet that looks nice enough but doesn't care about the cert. There are good quality diamonds around without certs and not-so-good diamonds with certs. It is not necessarily based on carat weight. Usually diamond eternity rings and bracelets are built by "competent-looking" diamonds that don't require a cert, but I've also seen such items come with certs for each stone. I've seen certified diamonds that are less than .5 carat. 0.7 studs, a total of 1.4 is considered a rather big purchase, so it will probably come with a cert. 0.7 is much bigger than the .10 carat stone (each, I guess for that design) for the eternity.

May 14th, 2009, 08:28 PM	#6
macska Member Joined: Sep 2008 Location: World Traveller Posts: 1,135	I worked at a high-end jewelry store a few years back and they issued certificates to diamonds of 1 carat or greater. Anything smaller didn't come with one. Unfortunately, I don't remember the reason why.

May 15th, 2009, 10:59 AM	#9
evekitti OP Member Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 832	Does it cost a lot to get a gem certified by GIA?
evekitti OP Member Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 832

May 15th, 2009, 11:53 AM	#10
Steelsapphire Member Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 158	evekitti-----Check out the GIA website. A wealth of info there, including the fees.
Steelsapphire Member Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 158

May 15th, 2009, 12:29 PM	#12
ame Member Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,843	Check out this company--they don't come with certs either but I own a round diamond band from there and it's AMAZING. http://facetscollection.com/search.c...e_number_id=53 http://facetscollection.com/search.c...e_number_id=14
ame Member Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,843	__________________ Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular. I LOVE SEWNSATIONAL! Things I want.... -Balenciaga Twiggy -Anna Corinna Jetsetter/Jetsetter Jr. -More Anna Corinna Mini Citys -Mulberry Mabel -Rebecca Minkoff MA/MAM ...it's good to want things.

May 15th, 2009, 09:50 PM	#13
lorenzo94580 Member Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,688	OT but I was just at the jeweler today and they said to keep your GIA cert in a safe place because it costs $300 to replace it! Never knew that thing costs so much to replace!
lorenzo94580 Member Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,688

May 16th, 2009, 02:03 PM	#14
black jade Member Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 51	What the jeweler may mean is that under 1 carat the GIA does not issue certificates, it issues GIA documents, an abbreviated kind of paper. But he is being disingenuous since he is not offering you that either. You have to be the one to decide whether or not you want to spend $90K without knowing exactly what you are getting. that's what GIA certs (or AGS, they're just as good) do for you. The in-house gemologist may be good but he/she does have some pressure on them to bump up the stones color and/or clarity just a little. They are not impartial like the independent gem labs. And with diamonds, they may look very pretty and also sometimes even the same to the naked eye, but there is a real price difference between a .95 carat and a one carat for instance, or between an F VVS and a G SI1. to me, a good reason to forego a certificate i(EGL USA can also be okay, I wouldn't bother with IGI or some of the others) is if the diamond is really, really cheap, which is not the case here. You also are not going to have as good resale value (such as it is) without a certificate unless you have some name on the bracelet, such as Tiffany. So if I were you, in this case, I would go elsewhere.
black jade Member Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 51

May 16th, 2009, 03:01 PM	#15
guccikat Member Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 203	http://www.gia.edu/lab-reports-servi...rts/index.html I came across this on the GIA site.. it might be either the stones are already mounted as GIA only generates reports of loose stones. Or the diamonds might not meet the requirements of getting graded by GIA.
guccikat Member Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 203

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