Dexter - Season 4

[annanas]

4. dexter is hot ?

i found a leaked preview of the first episode a few weeks ago and i so wish i hadn't watched it, i'm going to go mad waiting for the next one

[lovelygarments]

Dexter is hot!!! I'm watching episode one of season one. The head just fell out of the ice truck. Isn't it funny how Lt. Maria evolved over the seasons? Do you remember how she used to flirt with Dexter??


Another Dexter truth:

5. Dexter could carve the turkey at my house on Thanksgiving. He is good with knives. :)

[sheanabelle]

Just got Showtime and am all caught up on season 3. CAN"T wait for next week!!

[crissy11]

Originally Posted by admat97

I even wanted Rudy to stick around. What's up with that?

OMG, DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was really hoping Rudy would have stuck around for another season - I think it would have been BRILLIANT to watch he and Dex try to sort out their relationship, it was such a shame that he went so early. And he was SUCH an awesome actor too. I still miss Doakes too - the way they played off each other was so awesome. And I would much rather Dex be with Lila than stupid Rita.

But Lundy is awesome and John Lithgow is amazing - so I imagine it has to be a great season with them around.

I just don't want to see Dex getting all baby mushy and domesticated - it's the strong, detached, emotionally unavailable Dex that we all fell in love with - here's hoping they don't do away with him and bring in some sensitive Dex instead - YUCK!!!

And we aren't sick by wanting Dex to keep on killing (OK, maybe a little LOL), it is a show with the tag line "America's Favorite Serial Killer" after all!!

And yeah he's super hot.

[BurberryLvr]

Originally Posted by admat97

I even wanted Rudy to stick around. What's up with that?

Me too! I wanted them to have at least 1 episode of catching up as brothers without the tension of Deb in the other room. I read the book specifically to see if they delved more into their relationship.

[Decophile]

Lovely Kay, my Dexter co-addict! Now if only Dexter would have Balenciaga custom make him a nice Rouge Theatre knife & mismemberment tool carrying case, and a blood slide case in Ink, we'd be golden .

I too watch the episodes over and over again, but always in sequence. I've now watched Seasons 1 & 2 three times all the way through, and am in the middle of my third ride through Season 3. And I only discovered this show a in July . I'm practically chain-smoking Dexter.

BTW, how awesome was Jimmy Smits as Miguel Prado? Good God! I remember him early on in his career on LA LAW, where he was mostly a wooden heart-throb. Now that he's older and chunked out, he's simply brilliant in the Prado role. I love watching him on screen.

Ok, I too confess to deep regret over Rudy's hasty departure from the show. I'm 100% behind the decision to have Dexter kill him, but I wanted a lot more play, interaction, and relationship development/twists between the two of them. Alas, Rudy was killed too soon.

Yes Rudy played that part brilliantly, as did Lila. IMO the reason why I don't care for Rita is because she fails to evoke the reaction she's intended to. We were supposed to be creeped out and yet interested in Lila, not being able to avert our eyes from the impending train wreck. I actually yelled "Yes!" while pumping my fist in the air when Dex off'd her... that's how messed up I am. But Rita, what are we supposed to think of her? If we're supposed to sympathize with her, well, not working with me. I care what happens to Matsuka more than I do Rita.

[MissTiss]

^^See I'm different. I really like Rita. Admittedly I liked her more as a screwed up abused, single mom, (man, that sounds bad) but I still like her. I do worry about this year though, her being all wife and mom does not excite me. Rita and Dexter confict is much more up my alley.

I might be the only one, but I want Dexter to feel something for someone. As much as I love our detached Dexter, I sorta wanted Harry to be wrong that he can't and shouldn't warm up to anyone. Dexter without the complex relationships - Deb, Rita, his co-workers, the kids (I love him with the kids)...isn't any fun to me. He fascinates me when he tries to act normal. I don't want him to become "cold blooded" for lack of a better term. In my opinion, it's his relationships with people that keep him from becoming an indescriminate killer. Harry's code is just secondary now.

None of that made any sense. Sorry.

I loved Miquel Prado too. That whole Prado family was screwed up. Loved it.

I HATED Lila with a purple passion. I too cheered when he killed her.

[Decophile]

I get what you're saying. I think we've been sucked in by Dexter and pull for him because we see his latent humanity. He's not a one-dimensional monster like he thinks he is. Seeing him stumble and bumble along and go through the motions in civilization, and try so hard to please people, is what makes him so sympathetic and likeable. My BF (who is now equally addicted to this show and loves Dex) while playing devil's advocate, asked how I could side with Dex when ultimately he loves killing people. I said because he's a good person.

This is also why I so loved his marriage proposal. Not to be a complete douchebag, but I'm not married and am not sentimental about marriage. But tears ran down my eyes watching Dex struggling to say something to Rita and the kids to reach out to them emotionally, and I was blown away by the brilliance of how he plagiarized the lines from the psycho chick, and yet somehow still made it his own, made it believeable, injected himself into it. It doesn't matter how deeply and consistently he feels connected to Rita or anyone else. It matters that he wants to be and tries to power through his "disability." That he doesn't like his inner void and wants to fill it humanizes him. Despite his regular claims of not having any feelings, he does have feelings, for Deb, the kids, Rita, Angel, etc. And has negative ones as well, against pedophiles and those who would harm those close to him. The question is how far will his development go and what impact will it have on him.

We don't want to see him transformed into a well adjusted family man, but we also want to see him fulfilled. Just not in a conventional way. Hence

[MissTiss]

Originally Posted by Decophile

I get what you're saying. I think we've been sucked in by Dexter and pull for him because we see his latent humanity. He's not a one-dimensional monster like he thinks he is. Seeing him stumble and bumble along and go through the motions in civilization, and try so hard to please people, is what makes him so sympathetic and likeable. My BF (who is now equally addicted to this show and loves Dex) while playing devil's advocate, asked how I could side with Dex when ultimately he loves killing people. I said because he's a good person. This is also why I so loved his marriage proposal. Not to be a complete douchebag, but I'm not married and am not sentimental about marriage. But tears ran down my eyes watching Dex struggling to say something to Rita and the kids to reach out to them emotionally, and I was blown away by the brilliance of how he plagiarized the lines from the psycho chick, and yet somehow still made it his own, made it believeable, injected himself into it. It doesn't matter how deeply and consistently he feels connected to Rita or anyone else. It matters that he wants to be and tries to power through his "disability." That he doesn't like his inner void and wants to fill it humanizes him. Despite his regular claims of not having any feelings, he does have feelings, for Deb, the kids, Rita, Angel, etc. And has negative ones as well, against pedophiles and those who would harm those close to him. The question is how far will his development go and what impact will it have on him. We don't want to see him transformed into a well adjusted family man, but we also want to see him fulfilled. Just not in a conventional way. Hence

All I can say is....WORD. This last part was amazingly put. (is amazingly a word?)

I will have a better response after I gather my jaw up off the floor. I loved that scene, but you really opened my eyes and I can appreciate even more now. I'm going to rewatch that episode again before the premiere.

*off to gather my response*

[crissy11]

I guess for me if I want to see soppy and sentimental, there are a gazillion shows on regular cable TV that I can see that on. I have to admit, I like cold blooded, somewhat demented Dexter.

I'm no criminal behaviour/psychology expert, but serial killers kill because they have to. Dexter is a serial killer and kills because he has to. He is only killing bad people because that's what the code tells him to do.

I've always wondered - if all the bad people in the world were already dead - would Dex start killing good people because he had to fill that need.

I think he would. I don't think he is killing bad people for a moral reason. He is doing it because he has to kill someone, and Harry has installed a code in him to kill bad people.

But I still think he'd kill good people if he had to.

[admat97]

One of my favorite scenes is when Dexter and Paul are in Rita's kitchen and Dexter loses it and hits Paul over the head with a frying pan. The look on Dex's face was hysterical. He's like....Oh Snap!

[crissy11]

Originally Posted by admat97

One of my favorite scenes is when Dexter and Paul are in Rita's kitchen and Dexter loses it and hits Paul over the head with a frying pan. The look on Dex's face was hysterical. He's like....Oh Snap!

Oh God yeah that was PRICELESS. I re-watched that scene about a dozen times. That's what makes MCH such a great actor - his facial expressions are awesome. Much of the time he doesn't have to say anything.

Do you remember when he was on the cruise ship and killed that guy in his cabin - he almost looked orgasmic in that scene - and from much of the true serial killer stuff I've read - that is very typical for them to get that kind of pseudo/sexual high out of taking life. It just shows what a great actor MCH is to be able to capture that.

[admat97]

^How about when Miguel plunged the knife into his first victims chest and "the look" on Dex's face when he watched him. Dexter was crouched down by the table and looked at Miguel and said "How do you feel?" Yeah, orgasmic is a great word to describe that look.

[Decophile]

It's safe to assume that Dexter fans aren't in it for sap/moosh. Same could be said about House fans. But neither is Dex a cold-blooded caricature. He thinks he is, but he's not. I don't minimize the importance of the code. How are morals, or religious teachings, anything other than a "code," designed ultimately to serve pragmatic concerns of maintaining stability and enhancing survival, co-existence, and advancement? Just because he doesn't infuse his code with emotions doesn't make it less of a form of morality. Also, when Harry discovered the stockpile of animal bones, long before the code was developed and tought to him, Dex told Harry that he hadn't graduated to killing people because he didn't think his parents would like it.

I agree that if there were no bad people, Dex would kill good people, but not randomly or indiscriminately. He'd probably still do some analysis of relative impact, relative worth, and select his victims accordingly. It's all part of the ritual. If Dex killed just to rid the world of bad people (Dex is frequently mislabled in the press as a "vigilante" which he so is not), this would not be the great, complex, transporting show that it is. That he kills only because he loves it and needs it is what takes this show to a whole different level.

One of my favorite scenes is Dex's first kill, the nurse who was slowly poisoning Harry. I laughed my ass off watching his awkward, bumbling, tripping, inexpert struggle to subdue her.

[admat97]