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Old Jun 6th, 2008, 10:10 PM   #1
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Hi Everyone! I am kind of in a hurry so I'll make this quick!

I opened a new company in December and invited 2 people to help me run the company who are family one is an in-law. My In - Law has been amazingly helpful and just a great asset to the company. My family member who is my brother has been a pain! He shows up late leaves early just doesn't follow through with end of the deal. Yesterday I reached or he tweaked my last nerve! I asked to do something at the office that NEEDED to get done he said ok. I call back to see how things went or were going and told me he wasn't going to do because I said he said he would do it when he wanted to. Ok, that is incredibly childish and one disrespectful to me as the authority of the company. I just don't know how to handle it if it were anyone else I would have already fired him!

Please any help is really appreciated!
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Old Jun 6th, 2008, 11:57 PM   #2
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You need to treat him as you would any other member of staff, not with special treatment because he's family. He needs to keep up his end of the bargain as far as the business goes and show you some respect. You deserve it. Tell him to pull his weight or he's out. You need to put your foot down and not allow him to walk all over you just because he's your brother.
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Old Jun 7th, 2008, 12:57 AM   #3
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I wouldn't put up with so much if he were just an employee. He's part owner and investor I think that maybe he has a problem with his sister sort telling him what to do. Maybe an ego problem or something I don't know what to make of I'd like to know.
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Old Jun 7th, 2008, 02:00 AM   #4
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Anyone else?

I need some help as how to handle this situation. I mean I don't want him to leave the company. Because I love him and he's my brother I just want him to co-operate with me. I don't know if I should have like the other owner tell him what needs to get done. He doesn't act that way with her.
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Old Jun 7th, 2008, 05:40 AM   #5
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business with family or friend often can turn relationship sour, hope your brother can realize just b/c he is part owner dosen't mean he can do whatever he wants. If he is getting paid for being in the office, he must follow the rules just like you and your in law do. Follow normal procedure such as write up, or behavior watch, if nothing improves, time to leave the company. If he is not getting paid for his time, thank him for his help, asking him politely to leave his responsibility to someone else. It's a tough situation, but business is business, your client could careless who didn't follow up, kwim?
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Old Jun 7th, 2008, 05:47 AM   #6
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business with family or friend often can turn relationship sour, hope your brother can realize just b/c he is part owner dosen't mean he can do whatever he wants. If he is getting paid for being in the office, he must follow the rules just like you and your in law do. Follow normal procedure such as write up, or behavior watch, if nothing improves, time to leave the company. If he is not getting paid for his time, thank him for his help, asking him politely to leave his responsibility to someone else. It's a tough situation, but business is business, your client could careless who didn't follow up, kwim?
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Old Jun 7th, 2008, 05:58 AM   #7
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If he is part owner and investor, and you want him to continue being part of the company, maybe you could transition his role to more of a consultant-type position, where he would not be in the office or in a position to harm the day-to-day workings of the company.

But that would be something you should talk over with the hard-working in-law, who I am assuming is also part owner and investor.

I would be upfront about it with him, tell him what you told us, that he is your brother and you don't want him to leave the company, but at the same time you don't want him to hurt the company. That way you can avoid a situation where the in-law feels that you are letting your brother slide, and in all probability he will be amenable to the idea of "promoting" the brother to that off-the-premises consultant position.
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Old Jun 7th, 2008, 12:11 PM   #8
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My parents have had a business for the past 23 years, and have hired and fired family members. It is definitely hard when it is family, but as others have said, treat them like a staff. Don't let them get away with things you wouldn't want any other employee to do. Start now, even if you have been lenient before. You want to be able to have others do their job so you have less stress for yourself. Good luck with your business!
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Old Jun 7th, 2008, 12:24 PM   #9
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I wouldn't put up with so much if he were just an employee. He's part owner and investor I think that maybe he has a problem with his sister sort telling him what to do. Maybe an ego problem or something I don't know what to make of I'd like to know.
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Anyone else?

I need some help as how to handle this situation. I mean I don't want him to leave the company. Because I love him and he's my brother I just want him to co-operate with me. I don't know if I should have like the other owner tell him what needs to get done. He doesn't act that way with her.
If he is getting paid for his work then you have to treat him like a normal employee. If he really has a problem working then you should ask him to step down and be a sleeping partner, hire someone outside.

If he doesn't pull his weight it could cause conflicts between the other partner too, you will be blamed for letting this sort of behaviour slide just because he is your brother.

It is just simply better not to work with relatives, I find. They tend to bring personal issues to work.
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Old Jun 7th, 2008, 12:57 PM   #10
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Can you guys buy him out & get him out of there? Have you even discussed this with him? I'd have a meeting with him & lay it all out on the table. He changes his attitude or he's out. Set down a short period of time. If that doens't work then dissolve your business & you & your cousin go in together. You're so new, you can explain the change as name change or business focus change.

What you describe here is a business plan for disaster. If he's bring in the idea 'I don't want my sister to tell me what to do,' he's not of the mindset to make this company successful.
Clients want their needs met. They don't care or want to hear about your internal conflicts. They want who they do business with to have it together.
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Old Jun 7th, 2008, 01:25 PM   #11
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Communication is the key. If you confront him and tell him exactly what bothers you and how he could make things easier he might realise what he's doing wrong and make changes. He may be caught up in his own world and not realise how hard it is on you. Just pull him aside and make it clear that you're unhappy with certain things. Seeing as he's your brother and an investor in the business, I'm sure he'll be co-operative and willing to help.
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Old Jun 7th, 2008, 04:21 PM   #12
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Classic Chic: That is what I am trying to avoid. We've had a really good relationship up until now. That's why I thought we could work together. Thank you for your thoughts I appreciate it!

Envyme: Thank you!

ShimmaPuff: We've called meetigs because of his lack of work ethic. Being at the office right now is crucial for our business we are waiting on state inspection. That is where this situation is heading. Thank you for you response Shimma! I really appreciat your in-sight.

May3545: Yes it is hard!! Especially when I've sorted been in a similar situation except different LOL. We invested in a business with family the deal was we'd invest money and when the company was profitable they'd let us know so we could start working there. Because we couldn't afford to work for free because of our bills. Well that day never came. The other family members opted to buy us out and wouldn't let us work their with a decent salary. They wanted to pay us 7 dlls an hour. I don't want my brother to feel as if he were cheated out of something KWIM.

Lyanna Stark: I totally agree about never working with family it was a hard learned lesson!

Vegas Long Legs: Hi VEGAS! Yes, we've actually talked about it. I could tell he was hurt and told me he didn't want anything that if he left the company I could keep what he invested and that just made me feel bad. I know I am in the right. He's the one causing this situation but I am not sure if HE realizes it though.

Iamashopaholic: I think you're right, I spoke to him last night over the phone and let him know how much this was bothering me I gave him our scenario but put him in my shoes and our brother in his. I asked him how he'd feel if he were in my situation. I hope he got it.

We have already had a final straw moment when he was late. We then went to his apartment took the keys and asked him not to go in anymore, because we relied on him to be there and he couldn't follow through. We told him that we would have to cut his percentage because he wasn't keeping his end of the deal and he his duties would be changed and we'd have a meeting and decide on that, in the meeting. This was AFTER the meeting where we was told not be late anymore. Since that day he has not been late, takes the allotted lunch hour and doesn't leave early. Because he got scared and saw that we were serious! But now he doesn't do the things that I call him and ask him to do. I asked him to send out faxes to our clients he had a list of numbers. He said he'd get on it (this is just one example there have been a few other situations but this is the most recent.) I called a few hours later to ask about his progress. He said he hadn't done it. I asked him why he hadn't done it he said he would do it when he wanted to, not when I asked. Of course I was FURIOUS!!! (This was before last night's conversation)

We had agreed on the conditions of the deal. He would have to invest time (free time) until the business became profitable. Maybe about a year or more. He would be the one to run the daily functions of the office (8-5) weekends off. All these conditions we spoke about before he signed on and he agreed. Now, he acts resentful because he has to be there all day by himself. I worked at the office from december till the end of February getting the legalities in order. He has been there since VERY late Febuary practically March. I just hope after last nights conversation things change. Thank EVERYONE AGAIN for your help! It hard when your in the situation to take a step back and look at the situation. I appreciate all of your responses.
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Old Jun 7th, 2008, 10:52 PM   #13
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You know, if you can afford it, and you are looking down the barrel of state inspection, it might be time to bite the bullet and adopt the time-honored business practice of hiring someone to do the actual work like sending faxes, etc. while the "boss" (which would be your brother in this case, from the point of view of the employee) gets paid to sit around and do nothing.

It might be worth kicking the idea around at your next meeting, I am thinking that at this point, the brother has got to be costing you money, but is he costing you enough to justify paying someone else?...maybe ask your accountant if s/he thinks it's something you are in a financial position to pursue...
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Old Jun 7th, 2008, 11:14 PM   #14
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Family or not. If not there to help, get rid of.
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Old Jun 8th, 2008, 09:49 PM   #15
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Shimma: That's an idea, Shimma. We could ask him to invest an additional amount to cover the cost of the employee because right now the business is not making any, and he's causing this situation. It just bugs me that he's so disrespectful to me. I have the final say and he's constantly undermining my authority.

lovinalotofbags: That's exactly how I've been feeling. I asked him to part of MY company. I had been wanting to open this company for years, 2005 to exact. I would always talk to him about it, I had always mentioned it would be me and my in-law that one day would open it. He mentioned that it would be nice if I would extend an invitation (this was years ago) but at the time I wasn't financially able to get the business started. I said Yes, that when I did I would. So a few years later when I was ready I remembered that conversation and felt that since I had already said I would I invited him in. He agreed on the conditions and now he's constantly undermining my authority. I thought he would be appreciative about the situation considering that I didn't have to do it. I am seriously regretting asking him to join.
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