H1N1 Vaccine

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It is from reading articles like this that made me form my opinion:

Simian virus known as SV40 was introduced into the human body during the introduction of the Polio vaccine, it was found to be a cancer causing virus and may have been in as many as 98 million lots of vaccines distributed to people. HIV and AIDS has been fingered by some as first being introduced to Africans during the Smallpox eradication program cultured in Bovine serum. The risks are there and they are real, the human body was not designed to have animal by products injected into the blood, if it were we would have a direct line to the blood without having to puncture the skin. The sad part about potential dangerous animal viruses is that once they are discovered, the normal procedure is not to recall or destroy infected lots, they continue to use these lots and potentially infect millions of people knowingly, as was the case with SV40

Source: http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ts.html?cat=70

This is OT because it is not about the H1N1 vaccine. I just think its nuts that they find issues with the vaccines, such as there being far too much mercury in the vaccines in 1990 and nothing was done about it until nearly 10 years later. I read that in Dr. Sears' book. This kind of stuff makes me very suspicous and wary. It makes me wonder who to trust. This whole topic has given me ulcers. I think vaccines are very important. I just wish they would do something to make them safer.

[megs0927]

this is kind of inappropriate for tPF.

[megs0927]

I forgot to mention I understand why people want this vaccine- I just want to make sure that my child isn't forced to.

[Swanky Mama Of Three]

for now no one is being forced to do anything. Parent's are able to choose to vax or not vax their children.

We prefer not to see people posting severely either way, let's keep the discussion diplomatic and tolerant, not links to petitions for or against.

[megs0927]

No problem :)
swanky feel free to remove my post I wasn't asking anynoe to sign it just putting it out there- didn't mean to offend anyone!!

[Swanky Mama Of Three]

no worries!

[HauteMama]

I don't think that pharmaceutical companies WANT to injure anyone. Their reputations are on the line everytime they manufacture something. I can also understand why they would want to avoid liability over a vaccination that they don't have time to test in the same way they normally do. The issue I see is when something in the vaccination that no one foresees causing a problem does cause a problem. It isn't intentional and the company that made it isn't evil; but there are some things where we might not fully understand the ramifications of them until thousands are already vaccinated or even until years later. So I don't know what the solution is except to use a risk/benefit analysis for yourself and your family and decide what is best for you.

Regarding drug companies and the FDA, I think a lot of the concern comes from the fact that drugs are generally approved more quickly now, and that the pharmaceutical companies pay for the process. That gives many people the impression that it is pay to play - those who are paying to get approved will get approved. And with some drugs being recalled and there being questions as to whether or not some side effects were hushed, it makes even more people suspicious. But again, it is kind of a situation where the companies cannot win - they are criticized if drugs are rushed to market and side effects are discovered after the fact, and they are criticized for not getting drugs and treatments to market fast enough and "letting people decide for themselves" whether the risks are worth it. It puts them in a very difficult position.

[L4F4]

I'm 100% against vaccines.

[Cornflower Blue]

On the BBC news here tonight the headlines were about all this. Apparently a mass vaccination program will be introduced in the UK around October - over 65s, anybody with a compromised immune system, health care workers dealing with these sort of people and all pregnant women (although they haven't worked out in what trimster yet). Apparently human trials over here are being conducted at the moment via volunteers.

Although worrying, I was vaguely reassured as they said that these vaccines were very similar to the normal flu vaccine and were being made in the same place and using the same methods, and that the normal flu vaccine has been around since the 1940s.

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The thing about the flu vaccine is that they are picking and choosing strands from the previous year to PREDICT what may come about next season. There won't be a vaccine for any new strands...so you might get the flu anyways.

[Swanky Mama Of Three]

if people believe that Pharma companies "pay to play" they're wrong. No matter how much $ a Pharma Co has or is willing to pay won't change whether the FDA seems it safe or effective.

[HauteMama]

Originally Posted by Swanky Mama Of Three

if people believe that Pharma companies "pay to play" they're wrong. No matter how much $ a Pharma Co has or is willing to pay won't change whether the FDA seems it safe or effective.

I'm not arguing that; it is more the appearance of impropriety. A lot of critics insist that the user-fee system - a vital part of the FDA's budget - encourages the FDA to approve drugs they otherwise might not have. It almost doesn't matter whether it is true or not, because the fact that drug companies pay to have their own drugs reviewed - essentially paying the FDA's wages - makes some people uneasy and suspicious. Even Dr. David Graham of the FDA (who had to seek whistle-blower protection) has criticized the way the FDA approves drugs, tracks adverse effects and how it has a pro-pharma sway. So while I am not close enough to the industry to truly have an informed opinion, I do know that even some within the FDA feels that it is no longer objective and is unduly influenced by pharmaceutical companies.

[mirdc]

Originally Posted by Cornflower Blue

On the BBC news here tonight the headlines were about all this. Apparently a mass vaccination program will be introduced in the UK around October - over 65s, anybody with a compromised immune system, health care workers dealing with these sort of people and all pregnant women (although they haven't worked out in what trimster yet). Apparently human trials over here are being conducted at the moment via volunteers. Although worrying, I was vaguely reassured as they said that these vaccines were very similar to the normal flu vaccine and were being made in the same place and using the same methods, and that the normal flu vaccine has been around since the 1940s.

H1N1 has squalene in it, and the FDA has not determined it to be a safe adjuvant in 30 years of submitted appeals, but somehow they are letting it slide through on this one.

[Cornflower Blue]

Tbh, I just I'm not convinced as to how big a danger swine flu actually is particularly when compared to seasonal flu. I've had flu twice in my life and last Christmas DS and most of his classmates had it. I know it can kill people though, usually those with a compromised immune system.

I think I've turned into a cynical old bat, primarily due to the 24 hours rolling news coverage of everything nowadays. There was the SARS scare, the bird flu scare, variant CJD (mad-cow disease) and apparently we were all doomed, but guess what, most of it all had zero effect on the majority of the population.

I don't want to be someone lives in denial about all of this, but I can't help thinking that a lot of it is due to whipped-up headlines to satisfy the 24-hr news phenomenon....

[madamelizaking]

I'm sticking with Breastfeeding as my best defense...this is the quickest they've rolled out ANY flu vaccine and i'm not comfortable with it whatsoever. It's a personal choice, and neither answer is wrong.