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Apr 25, 2010, 6:12am   #2521
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Hello Doc,

I want your expert opinion on the following Hermes bag:
http://cgi.ebay.com/AUTH-Hermes-leat...item58875387cc

Do you think the leather can be treat with Black Rock/Hermes Baume?
Seller said its Rubber leather. Was that Amazonia?
I am thinking of buying this for my daily use bag

Thanks so much for your help.
Appreciate your opinion
Apr 25, 2010, 1:24pm   #2522
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Originally Posted by meandmylouis
Hello Doc,

I want your expert opinion on the following Hermes bag:
http://cgi.ebay.com/AUTH-Hermes-leat...item58875387cc

Do you think the leather can be treat with Black Rock/Hermes Baume?
Seller said its Rubber leather. Was that Amazonia?
I am thinking of buying this for my daily use bag

Thanks so much for your help.
Appreciate your opinion
Hello, Looks like Amazonia which is a natural rubber (polymer?) in anycase the color is more of a dark brown than a black IRL,I would use Hermes Amazonia wipes on that part of the bag or for a cheaper alternative you can use Tire Protectant like you get an auto supply shop. The leather part looks like Clemence..and I would NEVER use Hermes Saddle baume on it...you can certainly use Blackrock if you wanted to...or Sapphir baume or meltonian leather baume,or meltonian delicate...all of these would work
I hope this helps? Cheers! doc
Apr 25, 2010, 1:28pm   #2523
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Originally Posted by CleoChinChin
Thank you so much Doc! I will get the Fiebing and get back to you, she is just a couple of years old (2008) so I don't want to do any dye as no part is completely naked so to speak..
Yes I think that's a good way to go..the
Fiebings Leather Baume with Atom wax in Black
will restore the color and condition and when you finish with a nice buffing you will get a lovely mellow glow which you should be happy withCheers,doc
Apr 25, 2010, 2:27pm   #2524
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Originally Posted by docride
Hello, Looks like Amazonia which is a natural rubber (polymer?) in anycase the color is more of a dark brown than a black IRL,I would use Hermes Amazonia wipes on that part of the bag or for a cheaper alternative you can use Tire Protectant like you get an auto supply shop. The leather part looks like Clemence..and I would NEVER use Hermes Saddle baume on it...you can certainly use Blackrock if you wanted to...or Sapphir baume or meltonian leather baume,or meltonian delicate...all of these would work
I hope this helps? Cheers! doc
Thank you so much, Doc. I appreciated your help, as always.
Apr 26, 2010, 2:40am   #2525
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Doc this was a bit tricky to order, the closes I could find is Fiebing's Leather Balm With Atom Wax, it doesn't seem to come in blacks though - is this the correct one?

Thanks!
Apr 26, 2010, 2:50am   #2526
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Originally Posted by CleoChinChin
Doc this was a bit tricky to order, the closes I could find is Fiebing's Leather Balm With Atom Wax, it doesn't seem to come in blacks though - is this the correct one?

Thanks!
Yes, that's the stuff..however it they do make a black colored one...I'll check on it for you...hugs,doc


PS> looks like it's hard to find..too bad it would have been a nice easy fix for your Chanel with some color loss..
Oh well never mind...I guess your best bet is a touch up dye application with a small smudging with a small tiny pored sponge with some Tarrago dye in Black (just a spot application and very lightly...then finish with the Fiebing's baume with atom wax...
You can get your products and then come back and I'll walk you through the process :o) See you then :o)
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Apr 26, 2010, 5:03am   #2527
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OK will do! And I am presuming this is Tarrago Self Shine Color Dye Kit with Preparer No.18 Black! I will get that and Fiebing and get back to you (and I will get Blackrock, Ober.. etc for box leather for H)!!

Thank you so much
Apr 26, 2010, 9:44am   #2528
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Originally Posted by docride
Use a leather cleaner wipe find at auto supply store then look at your bag..is it better? If it's still discolored you may want to sue a good white shoe cream like Tarrago or Woly makes...
I have not used Apple Guard on goat skin..you can try a small hidden area and see how it works Also, I would NOT recommend using any water or stain shielding proofing products which contain silicone ....your leather can become dry underneath and this can shorten the life time of a bag...
I tried the leather wipes and it worked. The goat skin looks much cleaner but it gets a bit dry afterwards. Thanks for your advice.
BTW do you know any products that i can use to conditioning, waterproof and clean the Lv vernis leather?
Thank you!
Apr 26, 2010, 10:15am   #2529
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May I ask a question about dry older leather, Doc?

Got an older Coach NYC made briefcase for carrying my hobby "stuff" for $18 on the bay. It was rough but still in very good overall shape (some corner wear, otherwise totally structurally sound).

I've gave it a bath Coach-board style (eew, filthy) and have been Blackrocking and Obenaufing it. In general the leather is much improved - but this bag was SO unloved by someone.

Some piping on the edges seems especially dry. Should I touch that up every few days with one of the products to keep building up moisture? Should I let the bag sit for a week or so and then do it all again?

With very dry leather, would you keep doing the B&O sequence, or after a round of that concentrate on moisturizing with another (or only one of those) products?

Thanks!
Apr 26, 2010, 12:01pm   #2530
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Originally Posted by CleoChinChin
OK will do! And I am presuming this is Tarrago Self Shine Color Dye Kit with Preparer No.18 Black! I will get that and Fiebing and get back to you (and I will get Blackrock, Ober.. etc for box leather for H)!!

Thank you so much
Yes, you are right on all counts Let me know when you are ready to start your project Hugs,doc
Apr 26, 2010, 12:11pm   #2531
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Originally Posted by leahdang
I tried the leather wipes and it worked. The goat skin looks much cleaner but it gets a bit dry afterwards. Thanks for your advice.
BTW do you know any products that i can use to conditioning, waterproof and clean the Lv vernis leather?
Thank you!
White bags are always more of a challenge..the top color is acrylic based in almost every case..this top coat is difficult at best to get conditioners to pass so that the leather below can be conditioned.... I would move on now to blackrock leather N rich to combat dryness however if color loss or dulling or yellowing is the problem perhaps you should try some Tarrago white cream polish (it will help condition )and brighten up the white color.
As to LV Vernis, are you speaking of the patent leather?
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Apr 26, 2010, 12:16pm   #2532
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Originally Posted by scratchycat
May I ask a question about dry older leather, Doc?

Got an older Coach NYC made briefcase for carrying my hobby "stuff" for $18 on the bay. It was rough but still in very good overall shape (some corner wear, otherwise totally structurally sound).

I've gave it a bath Coach-board style (eew, filthy) and have been Blackrocking and Obenaufing it. In general the leather is much improved - but this bag was SO unloved by someone.

Some piping on the edges seems especially dry. Should I touch that up every few days with one of the products to keep building up moisture? Should I let the bag sit for a week or so and then do it all again?

Answer>Hi there, I would stay with Blackrock only at this point...and do it fairly often until your results are what you want...you can do this several times a day ...letting the bag rest for a at least 3 hours at room temp. If however your bag is really really dry..very stiff, and not taking up product you may have dry rot which might be the problem...why not send me a couple of photos? So I can try and sort you out if things are not improving OK?

Standing by....
Apr 26, 2010, 12:28pm   #2533
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Originally Posted by docride
Standing by....
Thanks!

I'm at work and have class tonight, so I'll treat it again tonight and tomorrow (might wait a day or so for pics). The leather seems quite strong, and not like dry rot, but I didn't really look for that before and will now. For under $20, this was in part a learning exercise for me (just what can I bring back from the dead?).

I will add that after 3 coats Blackrocks and so far 2 of Obenaufs there has been a HUGE improvement on the body and strap - the front and back of the case gleam, and all those oils are soaking right in. Let's hope they are soaking into ALL of it.
Apr 26, 2010, 3:11pm   #2534
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Originally Posted by scratchycat
Thanks!

I'm at work and have class tonight, so I'll treat it again tonight and tomorrow (might wait a day or so for pics). The leather seems quite strong, and not like dry rot, but I didn't really look for that before and will now. For under $20, this was in part a learning exercise for me (just what can I bring back from the dead?).

I will add that after 3 coats Blackrocks and so far 2 of Obenaufs there has been a HUGE improvement on the body and strap - the front and back of the case gleam, and all those oils are soaking right in. Let's hope they are soaking into ALL of it.
Sounds good, Make sure you are removing excess after every treatment..or instead of conditioning you will have yucky build up instead...leather can only absorb so much conditioner at a time...it is important to let the leather "rest" in between applications.
Have a great day.Cheers,doc
Apr 27, 2010, 12:06am   #2535
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Hello Docride,

Just to let you know, the Lizard bag came out just fine. I've since gotten an Ostrich and a Croc bag. The latest one, the Croc, had me a bit scared because after cleaning the bag, the softened skin showed some tears. Nothing outstanding but I know it's there. It's gotten 2 cleaning treatments and is resting now. Wanted to ask you about using neatsfoot oil or beeswax on the bag(s). I read that it's a good idea for exotic. What are your thoughts?
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