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fafnir · Oct 14th, 2009, 10:56 PM

So, with the news that the Biblio might not drop until December (see "Biblio" thread)

, I'm having to re-think my Fall bag plans. Might end up with a Trophy or Trophy Satchel after all, but I also like the Franklin. I have heard very little about this bag, though. Has anyone ordered it? Seen it IRL? It looks a bit on the slender side, as I like to have a lot of room. But it's a very appealing bag otherwise, especially in Aubergine... what think the HHHotties?

Sybaryte · Oct 15th, 2009, 01:26 AM

A suede Clara in bondage?

Pass.

OhCARNage · Oct 15th, 2009, 01:33 AM

That's the bag I would love to get in yam. I think it will age beautifully, but I need a price drop before I take the plunge. I have a Tobias and it's very nicely made, and I realize it costs more to produce, but $625 - ouch! I like the Burke too. There's a new video up for it on youtube.

sallyca · Oct 15th, 2009, 02:38 AM

I just saw the Burke on youtube. GAve me a totally different feeling for the bag. It looks all buttoned up and briefcase-like on the site but the video made me feel like it is actually a handbag. Neat pockets.

sallyca · Oct 15th, 2009, 03:06 AM

Now that I saw that Burke video on youtube I'm wondering how close it is to the trophy satchel in size. The Burke seems like a nice east/west satchel, has the longer shoulder strap plus the tote straps, good outside pockets, hmmmm....

skydive nikki · Oct 15th, 2009, 05:54 AM

Sally, I have to go check that out now.

skydive nikki · Oct 15th, 2009, 05:58 AM

Oh no! I want it now! Ugh!! This always happens with their videos. I love how the pocket in front flaps up to open.

pursegal · Oct 15th, 2009, 06:48 AM

i too have been contemplating this bag, i am huge satchel girl and the handles are calling to me... since they are different than most, i am seriously thinking of this one in grape...w/ 2 groupons of course... and the 15% hhthanks... i think if my math is right it would be 50% off then..

670 x 15%+ 570 - 350 (2 groupons)= 220 + 150 (groupons) = 370; not too shabby... and since i have other trophy's maybe 1 in yam would work and then the grape burke... please correct me if i am wrong... and dreaming in la la land... lol

burke looks smaller too me than the TS.

RealMcCoy · Oct 15th, 2009, 09:08 AM

The Trophy Satchel is wider than the Burke. If you need a size comparison and are familiar with the Dominique Satchel - the two bags are the exact same size (and pretty much the same shape). Another good comparison is the Sloane Satchel. The Burke is 1/2" longer but 1" narrower than the Sloane. Both are same height.

One thing to note on the Franklin Bag. Don't pay attention to the photo on the model. It is out of proportion. The dimensions of the Franklin are 13"x12". The way the photo looks, the bag looks comparable in size to the models back. Either she is extremely petite or the photo angle was wonky for a realistic scale association.

Also, it is only 3" deep. That measure includes the section gathers, so functional depth is less. If you know you like the Tobias (which, BTW, is only 1/2" narrower than the Franklin) you will like the Franklin. However, if you are a satchel girl that likes the proportions of a bag that is generally at least half as deep as it is tall (usual satchel proportions) this bag is going to feel small for you. If you are a Clara Flap Bag fan, be aware that even though the Franklin and Clara Flap are both the same depth (3"), the functional use is entirely different. On the Clara you have full use of the depth of the bag. On the Franklin, a portion of that 3" is taken up by 4 layers of leather in the gathers. Plus, the edge-welting is measured in also. So actual clearance for storage will be less - and divided into three sections. Just a bit of architectural review here, LOL.

One thing I like about the Franklin is the clever way it is built on the top. Like the Tallulah video, you can slide your hand into the interior of the bag without having to raise the flap. That gives it thumbs up for functionality.

RealMcCoy · Oct 15th, 2009, 09:15 AM

BTW, I was sure hoping the Burke remained riding under the radar so that it would go on deep discount. Sallyca, shame on you for mentioning the Burke.

Now that I know it is the size and shape of the Dominique satchel, I have added it back onto my list. For me a satchel the size of the Dom is a great size for church or evenings out. I can't go less than that in size.

Sorocaba · Oct 15th, 2009, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by skydive nikki

Oh no! I want it now! Ugh!! This always happens with their videos. I love how the pocket in front flaps up to open.

I want it too! lol!

MamaToJakers · Oct 15th, 2009, 10:00 AM

RMC, thank you for that explanation!!!

I really want to check out the videos but I can't do that at work....hmmm...I really shouldn't even be on tPF at work. I am bad....work really gets in the way of my purse porn.

dcblam · Oct 15th, 2009, 10:14 AM

Similar to what RM mentioned.....

I would be concerned about the bottom gusset and just how capacious it is and the ease of finding/removing objects inside the bag.
Can you just plop things in OR do you have to strategically place items inside?????

Just a thought.....I too like the streamlined aesthetic of the bag too!

Kinda reminds me of some Jas Mb bags.......

AND, the fact that the Frankilin is slated to appear in Dec......
SUCKS!!!!

fafnir · Oct 15th, 2009, 10:57 AM

Wow, thanks for the analysis, RMC, that was really helpful! Sigh. I do like the streamlined aesthetic, as blam says, but less than 3" of useful space? I don't think that's going to work. Maybe if it goes on deep discount... but then it won't be my fall bag.

The Grey Shine Trophy is looking better, depending on whenever that drops...

sallyca · Oct 15th, 2009, 06:18 PM

Sorry for mentioning it - RMC!!! Just sharing the love!

Pursegal - I just looked on the HH site and the aubergine (doesn't come in grape) is for sale at $536. HHfallthanks (if it applies to the sale price) takes it to $456 so you need to get about $40 of something in order to use 2 groupons. If you got the price to exactly $475 and used 2 groupons you would need to pay $125 plus the $150 you originally paid for the groupons so....is it a bag that is worth $275??? (Part of the $275 would be for whatever else you got to bring it up to the $475).

Has anyone reported or commented on the aubergine leather? It looks nice in the video.

Oct 14th, 2009, 10:56 PM	#1
fafnir OP Member Joined: Jul 2008 Location: Portland Posts: 4,061	Franklin Flap Bag So, with the news that the Biblio might not drop until December (see "Biblio" thread) , I'm having to re-think my Fall bag plans. Might end up with a Trophy or Trophy Satchel after all, but I also like the Franklin. I have heard very little about this bag, though. Has anyone ordered it? Seen it IRL? It looks a bit on the slender side, as I like to have a lot of room. But it's a very appealing bag otherwise, especially in Aubergine... what think the HHHotties?
	__________________ Tentative Fall 09 shopping list: HH: Black Kin Belt, Yam or Grey Shine Trophy bag. Swedish Hasbeen boots (on the way!). ISO: Moss, Olive, Plum, Aubergine, Blueberry, Yam, Moonbeam Celinas "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." -- Tom Waits

Oct 15th, 2009, 01:26 AM	#2
Sybaryte Sofa King Banned Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,911	A suede Clara in bondage? Pass.
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Oct 15th, 2009, 01:33 AM	#3
OhCARNage Wash your hands! Joined: Oct 2007 Location: Den of Iniquity Posts: 1,303	That's the bag I would love to get in yam. I think it will age beautifully, but I need a price drop before I take the plunge. I have a Tobias and it's very nicely made, and I realize it costs more to produce, but $625 - ouch! I like the Burke too. There's a new video up for it on youtube.
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Oct 15th, 2009, 02:38 AM	#4
sallyca Member Joined: Aug 2008 Location: BC Posts: 1,807	I just saw the Burke on youtube. GAve me a totally different feeling for the bag. It looks all buttoned up and briefcase-like on the site but the video made me feel like it is actually a handbag. Neat pockets.
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Oct 15th, 2009, 03:06 AM	#5
sallyca Member Joined: Aug 2008 Location: BC Posts: 1,807	Now that I saw that Burke video on youtube I'm wondering how close it is to the trophy satchel in size. The Burke seems like a nice east/west satchel, has the longer shoulder strap plus the tote straps, good outside pockets, hmmmm....
	__________________ Hoping for: Anthracite Havana, Beatrice in any colour, Lido wallet, Pilot in TCP or ICP, Black Tharpe and the elusive and oft-sought Emerald Goat Corcovado.

Oct 15th, 2009, 05:54 AM	#6
skydive nikki HH hoarder Joined: Mar 2009 Location: Detroit Rock City Posts: 3,364	Sally, I have to go check that out now.
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Oct 15th, 2009, 05:58 AM	#7
skydive nikki HH hoarder Joined: Mar 2009 Location: Detroit Rock City Posts: 3,364	Oh no! I want it now! Ugh!! This always happens with their videos. I love how the pocket in front flaps up to open.
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Oct 15th, 2009, 06:48 AM	#8
pursegal I heart Chicago!!!!! Joined: Apr 2006 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,596	i too have been contemplating this bag, i am huge satchel girl and the handles are calling to me... since they are different than most, i am seriously thinking of this one in grape...w/ 2 groupons of course... and the 15% hhthanks... i think if my math is right it would be 50% off then.. 670 x 15%+ 570 - 350 (2 groupons)= 220 + 150 (groupons) = 370; not too shabby... and since i have other trophy's maybe 1 in yam would work and then the grape burke... please correct me if i am wrong... and dreaming in la la land... lol burke looks smaller too me than the TS.
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Oct 15th, 2009, 09:08 AM	#9
RealMcCoy Just one more word! Joined: Mar 2008 Location: Emerald Coast Florida Posts: 1,940	The Trophy Satchel is wider than the Burke. If you need a size comparison and are familiar with the Dominique Satchel - the two bags are the exact same size (and pretty much the same shape). Another good comparison is the Sloane Satchel. The Burke is 1/2" longer but 1" narrower than the Sloane. Both are same height. One thing to note on the Franklin Bag. Don't pay attention to the photo on the model. It is out of proportion. The dimensions of the Franklin are 13"x12". The way the photo looks, the bag looks comparable in size to the models back. Either she is extremely petite or the photo angle was wonky for a realistic scale association. Also, it is only 3" deep. That measure includes the section gathers, so functional depth is less. If you know you like the Tobias (which, BTW, is only 1/2" narrower than the Franklin) you will like the Franklin. However, if you are a satchel girl that likes the proportions of a bag that is generally at least half as deep as it is tall (usual satchel proportions) this bag is going to feel small for you. If you are a Clara Flap Bag fan, be aware that even though the Franklin and Clara Flap are both the same depth (3"), the functional use is entirely different. On the Clara you have full use of the depth of the bag. On the Franklin, a portion of that 3" is taken up by 4 layers of leather in the gathers. Plus, the edge-welting is measured in also. So actual clearance for storage will be less - and divided into three sections. Just a bit of architectural review here, LOL. One thing I like about the Franklin is the clever way it is built on the top. Like the Tallulah video, you can slide your hand into the interior of the bag without having to raise the flap. That gives it thumbs up for functionality.

Oct 15th, 2009, 09:15 AM	#10
RealMcCoy Just one more word! Joined: Mar 2008 Location: Emerald Coast Florida Posts: 1,940	BTW, I was sure hoping the Burke remained riding under the radar so that it would go on deep discount. Sallyca, shame on you for mentioning the Burke. Now that I know it is the size and shape of the Dominique satchel, I have added it back onto my list. For me a satchel the size of the Dom is a great size for church or evenings out. I can't go less than that in size.

Oct 15th, 2009, 10:00 AM	#12
MamaToJakers bazinga Joined: Nov 2007 Location: in a bowl of M&Ms Posts: 1,560	RMC, thank you for that explanation!!! I really want to check out the videos but I can't do that at work....hmmm...I really shouldn't even be on tPF at work. I am bad....work really gets in the way of my purse porn.
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Oct 15th, 2009, 10:14 AM	#13
dcblam Member Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 4,552	Similar to what RM mentioned..... I would be concerned about the bottom gusset and just how capacious it is and the ease of finding/removing objects inside the bag. Can you just plop things in OR do you have to strategically place items inside????? Just a thought.....I too like the streamlined aesthetic of the bag too! Kinda reminds me of some Jas Mb bags....... AND, the fact that the Frankilin is slated to appear in Dec...... SUCKS!!!!
dcblam Member Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 4,552	Last edited by dcblam; Oct 15th, 2009 at 10:23 AM.

Oct 15th, 2009, 10:57 AM	#14
fafnir OP Member Joined: Jul 2008 Location: Portland Posts: 4,061	Wow, thanks for the analysis, RMC, that was really helpful! Sigh. I do like the streamlined aesthetic, as blam says, but less than 3" of useful space? I don't think that's going to work. Maybe if it goes on deep discount... but then it won't be my fall bag. The Grey Shine Trophy is looking better, depending on whenever that drops...
	__________________ Tentative Fall 09 shopping list: HH: Black Kin Belt, Yam or Grey Shine Trophy bag. Swedish Hasbeen boots (on the way!). ISO: Moss, Olive, Plum, Aubergine, Blueberry, Yam, Moonbeam Celinas "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." -- Tom Waits Last edited by fafnir; Oct 15th, 2009 at 11:02 AM.

Oct 15th, 2009, 06:18 PM	#15
sallyca Member Joined: Aug 2008 Location: BC Posts: 1,807	Sorry for mentioning it - RMC!!! Just sharing the love! Pursegal - I just looked on the HH site and the aubergine (doesn't come in grape) is for sale at $536. HHfallthanks (if it applies to the sale price) takes it to $456 so you need to get about $40 of something in order to use 2 groupons. If you got the price to exactly $475 and used 2 groupons you would need to pay $125 plus the $150 you originally paid for the groupons so....is it a bag that is worth $275??? (Part of the $275 would be for whatever else you got to bring it up to the $475). Has anyone reported or commented on the aubergine leather? It looks nice in the video.
	__________________ Hoping for: Anthracite Havana, Beatrice in any colour, Lido wallet, Pilot in TCP or ICP, Black Tharpe and the elusive and oft-sought Emerald Goat Corcovado.

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