Hi, i have both apple leather care/conditioner and apple garde rain and stain repellent. I recommend both as ive been using them for years and theyve kept my bags looking great and fresh. I dont use the apple cleaner as ive always been very careful (and paranoid) about my bags and ive always thought cleaners a very strong and might ruin the leather in some way

If its a new bag, i always use it first before treating it. Theres something about a new, fresh from the box and untreated bag that excites me! Anyway, after one use or two, then i treat it with the conditioner and repellent. Xx