My venetia leather is pretty slouchy and soft. It's a pretty roomy bag. I haven't got a chance to take the measurement yet. If you want to, I can definitely do it tonight. It's a very 'dress up' bag. I love it alot. It's definitely a must have in your MJ collection. If your arm small enough, you can put this on your shoulder but I usually carry it as a handbag or put it on my forearm.