Dogs in handbag store.

[Jesskaz]

Originally Posted by floridasun8

I can think of several reasons why most people take their dogs with them shopping, and while there are probably some that consider it an entitlement, there are truly other legitimate reasons: Dogs are sociable creatures. They need to learn to behave properly around other people, other dogs and in public situations. Some dogs get separation anxiety and can cause harm to themselves or the home when left alone. Just like with kids, having a babysitter, using a crate, etc. is not always available. Some people dont get to spend enough time with their dogs, so when they arent working, but need or want to go shopping, they enjoy taking their dogs along And going back to the social aspect, dogs need emotional stimulation just as people. They cannot be kept in the house all the time with only being taken out for walks and expect to be stimulated. They also need the sights, sounds, smells and whole aspect of being in society. Most dogs that I have witnessed out in public enjoy being out with their owner, smelling new things, watching people and riding in the car. While I dont take my dogs places with me (except for Petsmart occasionally), it isnt because I wouldnt want to, but they are 100+ lb dogs and are just too big, however if a store owner allows the dogs inside, then that is the end of story....there is no reason to argue or complain if it is permitted. There will always be people that complain about being afraid of dogs , allergic, whatever, but there are also people that are allergic to perfume, cigarette smoke, etc. and even some crazy phobias that some people have of simple things that can be encountered in normal outside life. It applies to everyone in the fact that if you go into a store where a dog is present, if you go into a store where someone has too much cologne on, if you go into a store where someone has offended you by their dress or appearance or whatever, or you just generally dont like something about the general public that is being permitted by whatever or whoever, you also have the right to leave. Just my 2 cents.

I love the fact that NYC is dog friendly.

Also, I don't get the allergy thing- how does anyone with allergies completely avoid dogs anyway? Do they never visit friends or family with dogs or ever set foot in an environment where a dog has previously been

[Jesskaz]

Originally Posted by dallas

And I'd take a well behaved child over an unruly dog any day. I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but I really don't understand the need to compare the two.

I'm not being a smart ass either, but I wouldn't call this a comparison. Of two things you might find in the same place at the same time, choosing one over the other does not a comparison make.

IE: "If I'm in a food court and there is Pizza and Cinnabon, I'd choose Cinnabon any day!"

I am not comparing Pizza to Cinnabon. Apples and oranges you know...

[floridasun8]

Originally Posted by Mediana

We have a large dog that we usually bring with us when we travel within Europe. I think it's natural and nobody seems to thinks it's a problem. I've only encountered one little incident during the years. It was in the Jill Sander store in Milan last year, where a american tourist complained to the sales personal. She kindly said that we were there first and that if they didn't like the dog they could leave and come back later.

^ I love this and find it completely fair. If the dogs are permitted and one person has a problem with it, then they are in the minority and should not have everyone cater to them.

Now, if it is a store that usually did not allow dogs, I could see the employee asking the dog owner to leave, however since the dog was allowed, the woman with the problem needed to leave.

[lily25]

Jill Sander SAs all over the world are the best! i also have great experience with them.

[Bitten]

I personally don't give a rat's clacker if I see someone with their dog in a public place. I guess I'm just one of those rare people who thinks that personal freedom (scary word for some people, I know) means exactly that.

I know, I know, life would be so much easier if everyone did everything exactly the way I want, but I recognize that I'm just not that important in the grand scheme of things. Other people occupy this planet besides me. If someone wants to bring their dog out with them, they're free to do that. If someone wants to bring their child out with them, they're free to do that. If someone wants to bring their senile parent out with them, they're free to do that. Sensing a theme here, much? And if someone's dog/child/senile parent is out occupying space at the same time as me and some sort of fluid from that dog/child/senile parent ends up on my bag/jeans/take-out box (or whatever object I've brought out with me, not being one who brings dogs OR children OR senile parents out with me), this glorious world will just keep on turning.

Now I don't feel very comfortable around intoxicated males, they make me very nervous. My father was a violent drunk - connection perhaps... So I figure this is my problem and therefore I don't go to bars and expect every person there to stop drinking and be female. No, what I do is I acknowledge that if I have a problem, there are some things I can control, such as the degree to which I am exposed to the source of my problem.

Maybe I'm too humble. Maybe I need to move to wherever some of you guys are so I can elevate my sense of self-importance and expect everyone else to conform to what I want. Dictator school, perhaps?

[floridasun8]

Originally Posted by Bitten

I personally don't give a rat's clacker if I see someone with their dog in a public place. I guess I'm just one of those rare people who thinks that personal freedom (scary word for some people, I know) means exactly that. I know, I know, life would be so much easier if everyone did everything exactly the way I want, but I recognize that I'm just not that important in the grand scheme of things. Other people occupy this planet besides me. If someone wants to bring their dog out with them, they're free to do that. If someone wants to bring their child out with them, they're free to do that. If someone wants to bring their senile parent out with them, they're free to do that. Sensing a theme here, much? And if someone's dog/child/senile parent is out occupying space at the same time as me and some sort of fluid from that dog/child/senile parent ends up on my bag/jeans/take-out box (or whatever object I've brought out with me, not being one who brings dogs OR children OR senile parents out with me), this glorious world will just keep on turning. Now I don't feel very comfortable around intoxicated males, they make me very nervous. My father was a violent drunk - connection perhaps... So I figure this is my problem and therefore I don't go to bars and expect every person there to stop drinking and be female. No, what I do is I acknowledge that if I have a problem, there are some things I can control, such as the degree to which I am exposed to the source of my problem. Maybe I'm too humble. Maybe I need to move to wherever some of you guys are so I can elevate my sense of self-importance and expect everyone else to conform to what I want. Dictator school, perhaps?

[Grace123]

Originally Posted by Styleforever

Here in Chicago, you can't bring your pets in the stores. They don't care what kind it is? Bloomington, Herme, Burberry, Louis Vuitton, Gucci, Fendi, Prada, Chanel, Bergdorf Goodamn, Neiman Marcus, Barney's are all here but they don't allow pets, and most definitely not at social bars where food and drinks are served, it is a no-no. The health department here will shut your business down if you brought them in and they aren't trained for handicap usage. Some days if it is really hot you may can bring them in the front entrance to keep cool but you have to stay with them no matter how trained they are. You can't take them among the merchandise. The clerks will tell you if you bring them in "other people may not want to be around your dog nor want your dog's scent on what they intent to buy." I do think it is only polite and considerate of others to leave pets at home if you intend to shop.

Odd that you say that, my sister lives in downtown Chicago and she takes her dog to Nordies and Bloomies all the time. Not only does she take them, she said that they have dishes of dog treats at the registers. I'll have to ask her about that and see if the stores have changed their policies as of late.

Personally I love dogs and a well-behaved dog is more than welcome to shop anywhere I do.

[lily25]

It's interesting to see how many ppl consider dogs "dirty" or a nuisance and have no right to be in public places among humans... This idea of the superiority of humans over animals (in terms of rights) is so strong it makes me ... I highly suggest you watch Earthlings, and realize how speciesm is connected with sexism, and racism. It was only a few years ago that in certain bars and clubs there were "no Dogs no Jews no Blacks"(& depending the place No Irish or no Greeks) signs.

http://dogonablog.files.wordpress.co..._no_blacks.jpg

Don't hate dogs.

[Jesskaz]

Originally Posted by Bitten

I personally don't give a rat's clacker if I see someone with their dog in a public place. I guess I'm just one of those rare people who thinks that personal freedom (scary word for some people, I know) means exactly that. I know, I know, life would be so much easier if everyone did everything exactly the way I want, but I recognize that I'm just not that important in the grand scheme of things. Other people occupy this planet besides me. If someone wants to bring their dog out with them, they're free to do that. If someone wants to bring their child out with them, they're free to do that. If someone wants to bring their senile parent out with them, they're free to do that. Sensing a theme here, much? And if someone's dog/child/senile parent is out occupying space at the same time as me and some sort of fluid from that dog/child/senile parent ends up on my bag/jeans/take-out box (or whatever object I've brought out with me, not being one who brings dogs OR children OR senile parents out with me), this glorious world will just keep on turning. Now I don't feel very comfortable around intoxicated males, they make me very nervous. My father was a violent drunk - connection perhaps... So I figure this is my problem and therefore I don't go to bars and expect every person there to stop drinking and be female. No, what I do is I acknowledge that if I have a problem, there are some things I can control, such as the degree to which I am exposed to the source of my problem. Maybe I'm too humble. Maybe I need to move to wherever some of you guys are so I can elevate my sense of self-importance and expect everyone else to conform to what I want. Dictator school, perhaps?

Your post made me laugh!

I agree, to each his own- yay personal freedom!

There are lots of things I despise (noxious cologne, cigarette smoke, etc) but that's my problem and too bad for me. I think I have the right to gripe about it, but I know I can't and shouldn't change it.

[.:Sprigged:.]

Originally Posted by lily25

...realize how speciesm is connected with sexism, and racism. It was only a few years ago that in certain bars and clubs there were "no Dogs no Jews no Blacks"(& depending the place No Irish or no Greeks) signs. http://dogonablog.files.wordpress.co..._no_blacks.jpg Don't hate dogs.

I am sorry, there is no comparison.

I am *not* a dog.

Women are not dogs.

Minorities are not dogs.

Jewish people are not dogs.

I am also not a cockroach or a deadly bacterium, but they are different species, so should I be able to take them anywhere so that I am not 'speciest'? What about a Boa Constrictor? But dogs are cute and furry, so it's ok?

And I love dogs. I wanted to be a vet as a kid. But that takes it way too far. And if I saw a cockroach, *I* would freak out.

[lily25]

You are prejudiced against animals, and I will not open a debate with you right now. To me all beings have equal rights. It's a matter of ethics, and it's obvious we don't share the same ethics.

The objections to racism and sexism apply equally to speciesism.

[Vegas Long Legs]

Originally Posted by Jesskaz

I love the fact that NYC is dog friendly. Also, I don't get the allergy thing- how does anyone with allergies completely avoid dogs anyway? Do they never visit friends or family with dogs or ever set foot in an environment where a dog has previously been

Have allergies to dogs/cats. We just can't own them, they don't seem to bother us in small doses which is why we like to see them out. We get to interact with them! We can not sleep in a hotel room where one has slept. So if someone 'sneaks' a pet into a room (which has happened before) we end up in serious trouble. DH can detect if a house has EVER had a pet live there, its an unusual talent, lol.

We had pets but grew into these allergies in our 40's like many people now. Could grow out of the allergies eventually. We hope! I really miss not having a dog.

[Vegas Long Legs]

Originally Posted by one fifty

if dogs are well trained and behave then I'd take them in a store over unruly kids. Once a lady started changing her baby's diapers right behind our seats ON A PLANE because it was too bothersome to get up and go to the bathroom. She was really self righteous about it too when I gave her an annoyed look. and yes it was on a plane in flight so we couldn't even avoid the stench!

I'm sorry to dig this up. Am so appalled & when Roo said she has witnessed it too, WTF is up with parents today! I would of said something.

[.:Sprigged:.]

Originally Posted by lily25

You are prejudiced against animals, and I will not open a debate with you right now. To me all beings have equal rights. It's a matter of ethics, and it's obvious we don't share the same ethics. The objections to racism and sexism apply equally to speciesism.

No, I am not, I love animals, a lot! So much I wanted to be a vet to help them.

Thank you for the judgement. I am sure you would like a cockroach on the counter of your favorite shop. After all, he is a species too.

You have no right to judge my ethics. Ethics?? About taking a dog shopping? This is not King Leopold II we are debating here.

I am at a loss.

[lily25]

Quote:

I am at a loss.

Me as well.