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Old Jul 18th, 2008, 01:59 AM   #1
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Hi. So I sold a LesportSac handbag on eBay and all went well until the buyer e-mailed me asking for a refund. She said there were marks all over the interior etc. but I used the bag only ONCE and examined it properly before putting it up on eBay. There were NO marks when I sent it to her. So I told her I dont know what caused these marks but since the item is no longer in the same condition as when I sent it, I cant just refund her her money and get the item back. If it was still clean and spotless I would have refunded her right away, but since the item is mysteriously damaged I'm not processing a 'return'.

Now she's filed a dispute against PayPal. I really dont want to pay her back if I'm not getting my item the same condition as I sent it. Im not saying she's lying but I dont know how the marks got there and stuff.

How do I settle this 'dispute' that she claimed???? I mean I CANT ACCEPT A DAMAGED ITEM BACK!!!!!!!! I dont intend to.

I'm new at PayPal and eBay so is there another way I can resolve the dispute she's filed? Thanks! Need your help immensely.

(Also I might be overreacting but can she take this issue to court and I could go to jail???? Im innocent and I just dont know how to deal with this)
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Old Jul 18th, 2008, 02:20 AM   #2
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Take a deep breath... now, ask her to please send pictures of the marks she is claiming. Also when did she reveived the bag? Maybe the marks are so little that you did not see them. Did you used a security tag?
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Old Jul 18th, 2008, 02:21 AM   #3
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Oh and you will not go to court or jail for this. Maybe you will lose a PayPal claim but that's all.
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Old Jul 18th, 2008, 02:39 AM   #4
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Thanks for the reply. So am I gonna lose money? Im not sure what 'losing a PayPal claim' means. (sorry im really new at this whole thing)

If she had said there were small marks or something I would have understood, but she said "LOTS OF MARKS inside and outside, very dirty" etc.

Which Im pretty sure isnt true (at least not when I still had the bag with me).
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Old Jul 18th, 2008, 06:52 AM   #5
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REMOVE YOUR $$ FROM PP NOW!

PP will freeze your account (and all monies) if she files on you... You will not be able to buy/sell using the account until the issue is resolved/closed.

Ask for the pics of proof from her... Her marks all over might have been there and been not that obvious to you since had owned the bag... They could be nit-picking or scamming...

ALWAYS send your bags to their new homes with a security tag of some kind... I use zip ties others use Tyvek bands... I also have on tape the bag condition & packaging of the item ~ Always CYA on a sale on eBay... There are those who are just there to scam. Do a search here and you will find lots of threads with useful info for the future...

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Old Jul 18th, 2008, 06:59 AM   #6
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^^^ I would second this.

Paypal always seem to favour buyers when they put a claim in, even if its a scam.

Can`t say many good things about eBay at the moment !!!!

Seems an open market for scammers and fakers......its the good people who seem to be losing out all the while
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Old Jul 18th, 2008, 08:01 AM   #7
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I know what you mean Taz. I am getting to the point where I want to close both my eBay and paypal accounts. Had one buyer try a chargeback on a 140 day old sale and they returned some crap I hadn't sold them. I miss the good old days-ebay paid for my vacations, repairs, any last minute crisis. I seriously need to make vacation cash though. Any other good auction sites?
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Old Jul 18th, 2008, 04:19 PM   #8
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OK, let me get this straight. Please excuse my ignorance on the subject and my "stupid" questions. How do you "remove" funds from your bank account immediately? I set up an account just for eBay/PayPal at a different bank than I normally use. I did this in order to become "verified" and for my protection (I thought!) Do I have to keep opening and closing my account whenever I run into a situation where the buyer is threatening or actually making a dispute? What can PayPal do to my bank account?
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Old Jul 18th, 2008, 06:48 PM   #9
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It might not be a scam. How do you know the item was "mysteriously damaged." What makes you so sure you wouldn't get your item back in the same condition? Let me offer you another perspective--I'm not saying this is what happened to you; it's just another point of view.

I bought a bag two weeks ago that was listed as in "very good condition." The photos of the exterior of the bag looked OK, but they were taken with a flash, which now I know can dramatically cover up imperfections in addition to lightening the color of the bag. The interior was described as "signs of wear," so I got in touch with the seller to find out what she meant by that. We even spoke over the phone, had a very nice conversation. She insisted the interior was not soiled, dirty, or stained, just "used." I buy the bag. I get the bag. First thing I notice are the scuffs here and there (OK, I tell myself) and the worn out leather (showing up as black and as discoloration) on the bottom edges that cannot be fixed (OK, I say). I turn the bag over and I notice these faint marks on the back, like fuzzy horizontal stripes, kind of blue-grayish, as well as spots both on the front and back. I took it to a leather place and they told me it was water damage and dye transfer. The bag would have to be repainted (very costly). On top of that, the interior was DIRTY. I don't get upset because I have way more serious issues in my life that can't compare to a bag, right? So I'm cool. I spoke to the seller--tactfully, calmed, no drama, no attitude, just matter-of-fact. (I know how touchy everyone on eBay is, so I'm very careful as to how I talk and deal with people; I strive to be rational, fair and respectful.) Like you, she had not seen any marks on the bag and had no idea what I was talking about. And you know what? I could assume malice, and maybe she did know what I was talking about and just wanted to get rid of the bag, but I've found that often you can resolve issues and get what you want by giving people the benefit of the doubt--as vs sparkling a conflict. This does not apply to rude, inaccessible, deceiving sellers and buyers, of course. Anyway, I think a person would almost have to be blind to not see the damage on that bag, but she maintained that she had never seen anything. So I concluded that unless she did it on purpose, she's simply not a "purse person" like us, so she doesn't see what we see, and she misses what we wouldn't. I was willing to keep the bag with a partial refund, but in the end we decided it would be best to return it for a refund.

I'm just telling you this in case there's a chance that you could've looked at the item less meticuously than the buyer. I would've calmly explain to her that I didn't see anything wrong with the bag, to please email you some photos, and if it's a matter of subjective opinion, I would take the bag back and avoid a bigger mess. IMHO.
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Old Jul 18th, 2008, 07:07 PM   #10
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I think you should ask for many pictures of the item. Did your auction show pics of the inside? If not, then you can prove this on a Paypal claim. If the pics are of your bag I would accept a return to prevent any further hassle, but do stress you will only refund for the original item in original condition.
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Old Jul 18th, 2008, 09:29 PM   #11
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Old Jul 19th, 2008, 02:56 AM   #12
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karmenzsofia, thanks for the reply.
however i dont think i 'missed' some things as i was inspecting the bag. after all, im a handbag addict. i love louis vuitton and even before i buy from the LV shop i look at the bag all over to make sure it's spotless, clean, stitching is even etc. and i'm VERY OCD about these things. so no, its impossible i missed something.

is there any way i can 'fight back'? i mean i know she's made her case to paypal but how can i present my side of the story to paypal?? i mean i dont think the person who files the dispute always wins right? so how do i counterattack?
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Old Jul 19th, 2008, 03:03 AM   #13
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karmenzsofia, thanks for the reply.
however i dont think i 'missed' some things as i was inspecting the bag. after all, im a handbag addict. i love louis vuitton and even before i buy from the LV shop i look at the bag all over to make sure it's spotless, clean, stitching is even etc. and i'm VERY OCD about these things. so no, its impossible i missed something.

is there any way i can 'fight back'? i mean i know she's made her case to paypal but how can i present my side of the story to paypal?? i mean i dont think the person who files the dispute always wins right? so how do i counterattack?
OMG!! I've written a message for you twice, and twice this freaking computer has gone blank on me . I'm so sorry, but I can't do this a third time--it's 1:35 am and I'm soooo tired. Bag addicts know their bags, so in your case it seems you're dealing with a pain in the butt. I'll try again tomorrow, but others here most likely will have the same advice for you than I do.
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Old Jul 19th, 2008, 06:07 AM   #15
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OK I'll wait for ur reply.

Anyways I AM FREAKING OUT I just receives this e-mail:

Dear Kyle Rodriguez,

____ recently opened a dispute against this transaction indicating
that the merchandise was significantly not as described.

____ has escalated this dispute to a claim, meaning they are asking
PayPal to investigate the case and decide the outcome. As part of our
investigation, we will review any communication you have had with ____ in the Resolution Center.

Please be aware that until we complete our investigation, we may place a
hold on funds associated with this transaction.


It sounds serious though I have no idea what to do next. Or what this could possibly mean. What is the worst that can happen?
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