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Jun 12, 2012, 1:53am   #16
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When the fake SCOs were being sent (and yes, they were going to personal email addys), the scammers were using an API exploit involving cross scripting that allowed them access to that information.

Anonymizing the bidder IDs did nothing to create a more transparent and safer environment - the same API exploit and cross scripting backdoor exists. Ask about it on the UK boards - they can tell you all about it.

It would have been far better for Ebay to resolve the problem of the exploit in their own system rather than make it more unsafe for buyers on their site who are sitting ripe for scammers who shill.

But it was easier and in their best interest to hide the IDs and thus also create a more secure environment where they could profit from the shilling.

Not everyone can detect shilling the way the IDs are hidden now. However it can be done- and what Ebay doesn't want you to know is that now when the patterns are clear, because the IDs are hidden - Ebay T&S personnel will tell you that the patterns usually are 100% accurate in revealing shilling.

In other words if you find it with the hidden IDs, then it must be pretty damn blatant.

I think further discussion of HOW to see those patterns is best kept to private forums. In time I do believe that US attorney generals are going to hold Ebay liable for their part in covering up the fraud and doing nothing to stop it.

As for their super duper software- it works great. It was shown off to top level sellers at personal meetings and lunches that Ebay used to have at their headquarters. The problem is that after Donohoe came in, he disbanded Trust & Safety (there is no cohesive department any more, there are two people sort of running the former department), and also laid off (fired) those that were trained to use the software. It now is unused. For a reason.
Jun 12, 2012, 4:16am   #17
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The forum where I post my detailed criticisms of eBay has recently changed its name from auctionbytes.com to ecommercebytes.com so that all the hyperlinks thereto that I have ever posted all over the internet in the past four–five years are now broken.

If you have a weekend with nothing better to do, or you simply want to know just how unscrupulous organisations like eBay and its ugly adopted daughter, PayPal, can be, here are some selected links, primarily to do with the scourge of eBay: rampant shill bidding fraud …

eBay introduces absolute anonymity for (shill) bidders
http://www.ecommercebytes.com/forums...ad.php?t=21894

eBay-Facilitated Shill Bidding Fraud on eBay Auctions: Case Study #1
http://www.ecommercebytes.com/forums...ad.php?t=22659

eBay-Facilitated Shill Bidding Fraud on eBay Auctions: Case Study #2
http://www.ecommercebytes.com/forums...ad.php?t=22904

eBay-Facilitated Shill Bidding Fraud on eBay Auctions: Case Study #3
A Study of Two eBay-Touted Power Sellers
http://www.ecommercebytes.com/forums...ad.php?t=22986

eBay-Facilitated Shill Bidding Fraud on eBay Auctions: Case Study #4
http://www.ecommercebytes.com/forums...ad.php?t=23540

PreyPal: The New Way To Pay In-Store
http://www.ecommercebytes.com/forums...ad.php?t=24611

When Do We Start Calling eBay A [Failed] Payments Company?
http://www.ecommercebytes.com/forums...ad.php?t=24590

Some Statute Law on (Shill Bidding) Fraud
http://www.ecommercebytes.com/forums...ad.php?t=22923

And from along the way a compilation of (mostly inane) quotes from eBay executives:
http://www.ecommercebytes.com/forums...ad.php?t=24159
Jun 12, 2012, 3:51pm   #18
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Thanks for the update, Philip. Many of us really appreciate all of your hard work and time that you put in to do this.
Jun 12, 2012, 5:21pm   #19
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Has anyone yet noticed that eBay has, of early June, stopped displaying unsold items on sellers’ “Completed listings” pages (for all types of sales).

At last, the US economy has turned the corner, according to eBay, anyway. Harrah! eBay and everybody selling thereon are now going great guns! Absolutely everything is now selling! Everyone who lists on eBay now has a 100% success rate!

From now on everything that is listed on eBay will appear to sell—even if it doesn’t. There will be no more of those unsightly and embarrassing oceans of “red” on sellers’ “completed listing” pages (of course there may not be many sold items listed either); these oceans will now only appear in the soothing (and deceptive) “green” colour of success.

eBay is making the business of buying on eBay more and more opaque by the minute. There is only one reason for such opacity and that is to deceive consumers. In my humble opinion, this latest change is simply another indication of the depths that the unscrupulous eBay will go to to deceive its consumers in the pursuit of protecting its atrophying bottom line; it’s unethical at the least; and I invite readers to again read the definition of fraud.

US Code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter 63, §1343, "Fraud by wire, radio, or television":
“Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, transmits or causes to be transmitted by means of wire, radio, or television communication in interstate or foreign commerce, any writings, signs, signals, pictures, or sounds for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both. …”
Regardless, when you deal with eBay (and many of its merchants) you are dealing with a most unscrupulous entity; you should always keep a very firm grip on your wallet/purse whenever you are logged on.
Jun 12, 2012, 5:22pm   #20
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Originally Posted by PhilipCohen View Post
Has anyone yet noticed that eBay has, of early June, stopped displaying unsold items on sellers’ “Completed listings” pages (for all types of sales).
^ That is a travesty.
Jun 12, 2012, 5:23pm   #21
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I completely agree.
Jun 12, 2012, 5:27pm   #22
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Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I still see unsold items.

Using evieroserocks as an example

http://www.ebay.com/sch/evieroserock...&_trksid=p3686

and I clicked 'Completed Listings'

http://www.ebay.com/csc/evieroserock...mplete=1&rt=nc
Jun 12, 2012, 5:46pm   #23
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Originally Posted by AuntieMame View Post
Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I still see unsold items.

Using evieroserocks as an example

http://www.ebay.com/sch/evieroserock...&_trksid=p3686

and I clicked 'Completed Listings'

http://www.ebay.com/csc/evieroserock...mplete=1&rt=nc
Me too.
Jun 12, 2012, 5:50pm   #24
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Originally Posted by AuntieMame View Post
Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I still see unsold items.

Using evieroserocks as an example

http://www.ebay.com/sch/evieroserock...&_trksid=p3686

and I clicked 'Completed Listings'

http://www.ebay.com/csc/evieroserock...mplete=1&rt=nc
me3
Jun 12, 2012, 5:51pm   #25
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Originally Posted by AuntieMame View Post
Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I still see unsold items.

Using evieroserocks as an example

http://www.ebay.com/sch/evieroserock...&_trksid=p3686

and I clicked 'Completed Listings'

http://www.ebay.com/csc/evieroserock...mplete=1&rt=nc
Originally Posted by littlerock View Post
Me too.

Maybe he means no longer accessible from the seller's actual page. But it does seem like the info is still available to search. I thought Philip was saying there was no way to obtain the info at all.

Here is a seller's my world page:

http://myworld.ebay.com/evieroserock...id=p4340.l2559

And I do believe there was once a link to unsold or previous listings.. I am not 100% positive though.

ETA: Really, I am not sure of what he means. Just taking a stab. :)
Jun 12, 2012, 5:52pm   #26
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Originally Posted by littlerock View Post
Me too.
I've gone about it every way that I know how and I'm still seeing unsold items.

I thought maybe it was only on the Australian site, but I'm still seeing unsold items there too.

Phillip, can you provide more information?
Jun 12, 2012, 5:55pm   #27
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Off topic warning: that seller had some amazing shoes! :)
Jun 12, 2012, 6:02pm   #28
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Originally Posted by littlerock View Post
Maybe he means no longer accessible from the seller's actual page. But it does seem like the info is still available to search. I thought Philip was saying there was no way to obtain the info at all.

Here is a seller's my world page:

http://myworld.ebay.com/evieroserock...id=p4340.l2559

And I do believe there was once a link to unsold or previous listings.. I am not 100% positive though.

ETA: Really, I am not sure of what he means. Just taking a stab. :)
I thought maybe it was that too. That seller doesn't have anything on the wayback machine, but I found one from April 2010 and it doesn't have a 'Completed Listings' link.

http://web.archive.org/web/201004291.../!cold_as_ice!

Also thought maybe they changed it to be that you had to be signed in to see them (actually, I think it used to be that way), but I tried it signed in and signed out and could see them both ways.
Jun 12, 2012, 6:06pm   #29
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^ Interesting. I have no clue then. Hopefully Philip will reiterate what he meant. I must say that I am pleased to learn that ebay has not taken away our ability to see completed listings. Those can be very helpful in many ways, research.. etc. Thank you for double checking that.
Jun 12, 2012, 6:08pm   #30
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Originally Posted by littlerock View Post
^ Interesting. I have no clue then. Hopefully Philip will reiterate what he meant. I must say that I am pleased to learn that ebay has not taken away our ability to see completed listings. Those can be very helpful in many ways, research.. etc. Thank you for double checking that.
Agreed! That's why I went right to ebay to check!
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