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upsalla · Sep 16th, 2009, 04:55 PM

My bag was described as "new without tags" , material genuine leather but I received used bag with the scratches, dirty inside the bag in artificial leather. Now respond from the seller. I left negative feedback and forgot about this purchase:(

chloehandbags · Sep 16th, 2009, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by northerndancer

I don't know about you guys, but it takes quite awhile and quite a bit of use before my bags show any signs of wear at all.

Yes, same here - I have bags I have used since 2002 without any obvious signs of wear.

I am careful with my stuff, though.

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IMO, to list a bag as NWOT when it has obvious signs of wear is not just a minor oversight but a huge stretch and quite unethical.

Illegal, too...

MissFluffyCat · Sep 17th, 2009, 05:15 AM

A question for all you very experienced bag sellers: is a bag ever legitimately NWOT? I mean if a bag is new, where are the tags?

I've bought bags that were supposedly from store overstock or store samples, and these still had the tags, even though some of them have non-return marks on their labels.

If a bag has honestly been worn once and the tags have been lost, then just say so, that's fine. But NWOT is always a red flag to me, I always feel like asking the seller what happened to the tags...

chikapinku · Sep 17th, 2009, 05:34 AM

Originally Posted by MissFluffyCat

A question for all you very experienced bag sellers: is a bag ever legitimately NWOT? I mean if a bag is new, where are the tags?

Having said that I'm not particularly experienced with selling bags, I'd say that it could be a legitimate thing. I'm not so sure about sales from store overstock and the like as you mentioned, but NWOT is true for people like me that buy things, stupidly cut off the tags, leave them in the cupboard for ages and eventually dig them out and put them on eBay sometime later.

Some people also consider display stock NWOT, though I'd say that's potentially dangerous practice because display stock can get pretty banged up and look quite used. So I suppose that, while technically it's new insofar as it hasn't been used, it's... pushing it, to say the least.

gacats · Sep 17th, 2009, 06:46 AM

If the seller led you to believe that the bag had never been carried, that's one thing and I would be terribly unhappy....
I guess this is really up to you OP. Are you happy enough that you have the bag, that you can overlook the scuffs? Or is the thrill of having the bag ruined by the wear to the bag?
If it's the latter, I think you should contact the seller and let her know that you're unhappy and are going to have to return the bag.
She may offer a partial refund and that may be enough to make you love the bag.
Please let us know how this turns out. So sorry this happened to you....

chloehandbags · Sep 17th, 2009, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by MissFluffyCat

A question for all you very experienced bag sellers: is a bag ever legitimately NWOT? I mean if a bag is new, where are the tags?

I've bought bags that were supposedly from store overstock or store samples, and these still had the tags, even though some of them have non-return marks on their labels.

If a bag has honestly been worn once and the tags have been lost, then just say so, that's fine. But NWOT is always a red flag to me, I always feel like asking the seller what happened to the tags...

To be fair, I think they can, occasionally, go missing.

Say the person buys the bag and intends to use it, so removes all the tags, but then never gets around to it, for some reason?

I've certainly removed NAP tags, for example, as they have sharp corners and can scratch the item (in fact, often, items arrive with slight scratches from the tags [I wish they'd round-off the corners!]).

I do agree that NWOT items have, very often, actually been gently used (or worse!), though; but then, so often on eBay, condition is greatly exagerrated...

BTW, I'm not an experienced bag seller - more a buyer, really!

korzinka · Sep 17th, 2009, 10:11 AM

Some concessions (like Mulberry at Harrods or House of Fraser, for example), always remove tags at the point of sale. So, in theory, NWOT is very possible. But somehow, many ebay sellers treat NWOT rather as "used but you would not notice" description . Fair enough, at the end of the day, if a used item cannot be distinguished from a new - on the other hand, why not to honestly say "used for 2 years, but looks absolutely as new". This probably would never achieve the same level of price though...
Some of my bags, used since 2003, look as if they are just from the store shelf... And the one I used daily for 4 years, is just starting to show minor scuffs... I think, if we all had a crystall ball and could see the true stories of some ebay items we buy - we would be in many cases horrified.

chloehandbags · Sep 19th, 2009, 04:06 AM

Originally Posted by korzinka

Some concessions (like Mulberry at Harrods or House of Fraser, for example), always remove tags at the point of sale. So, in theory, NWOT is very possible. But somehow, many ebay sellers treat NWOT rather as "used but you would not notice" description . Fair enough, at the end of the day, if a used item cannot be distinguished from a new - on the other hand, why not to honestly say "used for 2 years, but looks absolutely as new". This probably would never achieve the same level of price though...

Quite.

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I think, if we all had a crystall ball and could see the true stories of some ebay items we buy - we would be in many cases horrified.

pro_shopper · Sep 20th, 2009, 03:15 PM

^ I agree, Or they would list it as NEW, only used a few times...uhmmm used a few times is NOT new!

tashaplus3 · Sep 20th, 2009, 03:49 PM

I don't buy anything from ebay any more- just for that reason. I have a few sellers that I've had good luck with that sell quality,authentic items- otherwise I don't trust anyone.

shopaholic1987 · Sep 20th, 2009, 03:56 PM

When I sell a used bag that looks like new I always advertise used and explain in the listing exactly how many times I have used the item and if there are any marks to the inside or out. I am very careful with my bags which could be passed off as new but I always list as used.

Another thing I do is I always keep receipts that came with the item, so if I do sell on they can see how much it cost and when I bought the item.

I haven't sold any bags recently as I love them all.

I agree with pro_shopper a used a few times bag is not new.

pro_shopper · Sep 20th, 2009, 04:09 PM

^ shopaholic1987, i am the same way!

I list every flaw that I see along with a description of how many times i used it (if the item is fairly new). I have sold bags that were used twice and although they could be passed of as new...they are not so I will not list it that way.

numeroo · Sep 21st, 2009, 08:02 AM

Thanks ladies for your useful advise. After almost a week I finally got a reply, I will return the bag for a refund. I am not sure if I should be relieved as it is really painful to deal with sellers that rarely respond to emails. I somehow have a feeling this seller may not give me back my money if I return it or it will take weeks or months...
P.S. I bought a pair of shoes described in the listing as "Never Been Worn", but when the shoes arrived, there is wear in the sole, I think at least more than twice, I don't know if I should do anything as this seller doesn't respond to email either!
Two bad sellers in a week!

mmmsc · Sep 21st, 2009, 11:08 AM

Be sure and send back with delivery signature confirmation so you can prove you sent them back and they received them.

Originally Posted by numeroo

Thanks ladies for your useful advise. After almost a week I finally got a reply, I will return the bag for a refund. I am not sure if I should be relieved as it is really painful to deal with sellers that rarely respond to emails. I somehow have a feeling this seller may not give me back my money if I return it or it will take weeks or months...
P.S. I bought a pair of shoes described in the listing as "Never Been Worn", but when the shoes arrived, there is wear in the sole, I think at least more than twice, I don't know if I should do anything as this seller doesn't respond to email either!
Two bad sellers in a week!

kmarney · Sep 21st, 2009, 11:33 AM

Glad this is being resolved with a refund. NWOT is quite realistic though in a listing. I know I've bought many an item, removed tags and then never wore it for whatever reason.... Trying to learn that lesson not to remove until I wear it. Those types of sellers sure make it harder on those who try out best to be honest about items we sell from our private stock.

Sep 17th, 2009, 06:46 AM	#20
gacats love me some bags! Joined: Oct 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 7,086	If the seller led you to believe that the bag had never been carried, that's one thing and I would be terribly unhappy.... I guess this is really up to you OP. Are you happy enough that you have the bag, that you can overlook the scuffs? Or is the thrill of having the bag ruined by the wear to the bag? If it's the latter, I think you should contact the seller and let her know that you're unhappy and are going to have to return the bag. She may offer a partial refund and that may be enough to make you love the bag. Please let us know how this turns out. So sorry this happened to you....
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Sep 17th, 2009, 10:11 AM	#22
korzinka Member Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 191	Some concessions (like Mulberry at Harrods or House of Fraser, for example), always remove tags at the point of sale. So, in theory, NWOT is very possible. But somehow, many ebay sellers treat NWOT rather as "used but you would not notice" description . Fair enough, at the end of the day, if a used item cannot be distinguished from a new - on the other hand, why not to honestly say "used for 2 years, but looks absolutely as new". This probably would never achieve the same level of price though... Some of my bags, used since 2003, look as if they are just from the store shelf... And the one I used daily for 4 years, is just starting to show minor scuffs... I think, if we all had a crystall ball and could see the true stories of some ebay items we buy - we would be in many cases horrified.
korzinka Member Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 191

Sep 20th, 2009, 03:15 PM	#24
pro_shopper ♥dreaming of Chanel♥ Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,285	^ I agree, Or they would list it as NEW, only used a few times...uhmmm used a few times is NOT new!
	__________________ "The best things in life come free, the second best are expensive." --CoCo Chanel Wishlist: Banned for the rest of 2009!!!

Sep 20th, 2009, 03:49 PM	#25
tashaplus3 Guccimania Joined: Sep 2008 Location: Connecticut & Florida Posts: 111	I don't buy anything from ebay any more- just for that reason. I have a few sellers that I've had good luck with that sell quality,authentic items- otherwise I don't trust anyone.
	__________________ My Collection LV- Mono Large Bucket, Totally Mono MM, Mono Multipli Citi, Mono Partition Gucci- Large Black Guccissima Chain Hobo, Large Choco Guccissima Chain Hobo, Large Black Web Hobo, Large Tan Guccissima Pelham, Large Black Leather Britt Tote, Chocolate Brown Abbey. Black Guccissima Wallet,Brown Babouska Guccissima Tote, Coach Burgandy Leather Cambridge Banned-for now......

Sep 20th, 2009, 03:56 PM	#26
shopaholic1987 BARGAIN SHOPPER Joined: Oct 2008 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 344	When I sell a used bag that looks like new I always advertise used and explain in the listing exactly how many times I have used the item and if there are any marks to the inside or out. I am very careful with my bags which could be passed off as new but I always list as used. Another thing I do is I always keep receipts that came with the item, so if I do sell on they can see how much it cost and when I bought the item. I haven't sold any bags recently as I love them all. I agree with pro_shopper a used a few times bag is not new.
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Sep 16th, 2009, 04:55 PM	#16
upsalla Member Joined: Sep 2009 Location: Ukraine Posts: 13	My bag was described as "new without tags" , material genuine leather but I received used bag with the scratches, dirty inside the bag in artificial leather. Now respond from the seller. I left negative feedback and forgot about this purchase:(

Sep 17th, 2009, 05:15 AM	#18
MissFluffyCat Member Joined: Sep 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 212	A question for all you very experienced bag sellers: is a bag ever legitimately NWOT? I mean if a bag is new, where are the tags? I've bought bags that were supposedly from store overstock or store samples, and these still had the tags, even though some of them have non-return marks on their labels. If a bag has honestly been worn once and the tags have been lost, then just say so, that's fine. But NWOT is always a red flag to me, I always feel like asking the seller what happened to the tags...

Sep 20th, 2009, 04:09 PM	#27
pro_shopper ♥dreaming of Chanel♥ Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,285	^ shopaholic1987, i am the same way! I list every flaw that I see along with a description of how many times i used it (if the item is fairly new). I have sold bags that were used twice and although they could be passed of as new...they are not so I will not list it that way.
	__________________ "The best things in life come free, the second best are expensive." --CoCo Chanel Wishlist: Banned for the rest of 2009!!!

Sep 21st, 2009, 08:02 AM	#28
numeroo OP Member Joined: Jul 2009 Location: US Posts: 80	Thanks ladies for your useful advise. After almost a week I finally got a reply, I will return the bag for a refund. I am not sure if I should be relieved as it is really painful to deal with sellers that rarely respond to emails. I somehow have a feeling this seller may not give me back my money if I return it or it will take weeks or months... P.S. I bought a pair of shoes described in the listing as "Never Been Worn", but when the shoes arrived, there is wear in the sole, I think at least more than twice, I don't know if I should do anything as this seller doesn't respond to email either! Two bad sellers in a week!
	Last edited by numeroo; Sep 21st, 2009 at 08:07 AM.

Sep 21st, 2009, 11:33 AM	#30
kmarney Member Joined: Sep 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 204	Glad this is being resolved with a refund. NWOT is quite realistic though in a listing. I know I've bought many an item, removed tags and then never wore it for whatever reason.... Trying to learn that lesson not to remove until I wear it. Those types of sellers sure make it harder on those who try out best to be honest about items we sell from our private stock.

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