Reporting Ebay Fakes Three Ways !! YAY

[TheWinglessBird]

I want to report the seller of fake bags, as apposed to the items itself.
I know of a seller who is very persistent on passing off fake designer bags as authentic,
and not even at a cheap price. The sellers feedback is great, but the buyers are clearly
stupid for not being able to identify fakes!

How can one do this? Because I really cannot be hanging around this jerkoff, ready to
report his next fraudulent listings. I want rid of him!

[pinklilly]

send picture or link of listing

[lv_lover10]

hi, my husband found this website because he wanted to find out if there's already a replica or counterfeited of the Louis vuitton ursula has been made..and voila......look at the website www.basicreplica.com
did you guys hear of this yet? this site must go down..this is not right and it's illegal.
who do we report this to?
he was soo disgusted and so was i....

[lilmarcool]

Hi, I won this auction-yes shame on me for not researching first. I believe that this is a fake . I emailed the seller (caribecafe) and informed them of this. Here is the reply,

"hello there! no way is that a fake. that is a factory second. that isn't even a gucci-inspired bag. it is a factory second. didn't make it to retail level for whatever reason. we never specified that it was retail otherwise there would have been a reserve for around $600USD. it is a gorgeous handbag. when we go to the factory rep and pick and choose bags we want - we seldomly can tell if there's anything with it. majority of the time the rep can't see any difference either. no, i do not believe that this is a fake handbag. we pay good money for these - but we buy them wholesale direct from the factory. "

Here is the auction link
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWN:IT&ih=016

And since I now have the "bag" , I took some pic's to share (sorry, some are not very clear) but I think it is pretty obvious that this is a Fake! This is not even real leather UGGGGG -as the Big BLACK (fake) card suggests it is.
I tried to load the pic's on Photobucket, so I hope this link works.

http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj192/lilmarcool/

(might have to copy/paste to view)-sorry, I have not done this before so not sure what works

I am not an expert, so I do not know who can report fakes. Does anyone have any suggestions how I should proceed?
Thanks

[downtownatlanta]

Originally Posted by lilmarcool

Hi, I won this auction-yes shame on me for not researching first. I believe that this is a fake . I emailed the seller (caribecafe) and informed them of this. Here is the reply,

"hello there! no way is that a fake. that is a factory second. that isn't even a gucci-inspired bag. it is a factory second. didn't make it to retail level for whatever reason. we never specified that it was retail otherwise there would have been a reserve for around $600USD. it is a gorgeous handbag. when we go to the factory rep and pick and choose bags we want - we seldomly can tell if there's anything with it. majority of the time the rep can't see any difference either. no, i do not believe that this is a fake handbag. we pay good money for these - but we buy them wholesale direct from the factory. "

Here is the auction link
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=260186369470&ssPa geName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=016

And since I now have the "bag" , I took some pic's to share (sorry, some are not very clear) but I think it is pretty obvious that this is a Fake! This is not even real leather UGGGGG -as the Big BLACK (fake) card suggests it is.
I tried to load the pic's on Photobucket, so I hope this link works.

http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj192/lilmarcool/

(might have to copy/paste to view)-sorry, I have not done this before so not sure what works

I am not an expert, so I do not know who can report fakes. Does anyone have any suggestions how I should proceed?
Thanks

Well what did you intend to do? Your best bet of course is to file a claim through PayPal if that is how you paid but you should have the bag officially authenticated in order to present your case. Without that you won't be able to do much. Did you try posting it on the Gucci thread yet?

[lilmarcool]

Originally Posted by downtownatlanta

Well what did you intend to do? Your best bet of course is to file a claim through PayPal if that is how you paid but you should have the bag officially authenticated in order to present your case. Without that you won't be able to do much. Did you try posting it on the Gucci thread yet?

Hi downtownatlanta-I think I may have posted this in the wrong thread- I actully meant to post it on REPORT THIS GUCCI!! HALL OF SHAME-which I did. I also reported it through eBay. It is not worth it to file a paypal claim. I didn't really pay all that much for it and shipping it back to seller would cost half of what I paid for the fake bag, (I would end of having paid shipping 2x). So, I am just chalking it up to poor judgement. I did not know this site existed until after I had won this auction. But, now I know and I have no exuse for poor judgement!

[chipmunk-pnw]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I had a friend who used to fly to Paris just to buy replicas. She said the store is licensed to make replicas of designer handbags and suits, and is well-known among the locals. A Giorgio Armani 3 piece suit (jacket, skirt, blouse) cost her US$500 equivalent, while the originals retail for around US$8000. So yeah the replicas are certainly not cheap, and that Basicreplica website might just be one of these permitted manufacturers. Their products are really close to the originals, and to the untrained eye, they look exactly the same.

I'm not advocating that the sellers of fakes on eBay are licensed. I'm just saying some of these guys exist!

[love CC]

Originally Posted by lilmarcool

Hi, I won this auction-yes shame on me for not researching first. I believe that this is a fake . I emailed the seller (caribecafe) and informed them of this. Here is the reply,

"hello there! no way is that a fake. that is a factory second. that isn't even a gucci-inspired bag. it is a factory second. didn't make it to retail level for whatever reason. we never specified that it was retail otherwise there would have been a reserve for around $600USD. it is a gorgeous handbag. when we go to the factory rep and pick and choose bags we want - we seldomly can tell if there's anything with it. majority of the time the rep can't see any difference either. no, i do not believe that this is a fake handbag. we pay good money for these - but we buy them wholesale direct from the factory. "

Here is the auction link
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=260186369470&ssPa geName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=016

And since I now have the "bag" , I took some pic's to share (sorry, some are not very clear) but I think it is pretty obvious that this is a Fake! This is not even real leather UGGGGG -as the Big BLACK (fake) card suggests it is.
I tried to load the pic's on Photobucket, so I hope this link works.

http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj192/lilmarcool/

(might have to copy/paste to view)-sorry, I have not done this before so not sure what works

I am not an expert, so I do not know who can report fakes. Does anyone have any suggestions how I should proceed?
Thanks

I can tell it is absolutly fake.. open dispute with paypal and call your credit card immediately.. the gucci tag stamp inside is wrong and have wierd shape. It should have serial number on the other side.. however, now lots of good fake Gucci some purse need more pics .. but this one i confirmed it's poor fake... So funny, the seller can't say " outlet".. only know for factory second lol.. now u know what kind of people you're dealing with..

For the link that show pink gucci purse..That is also fake as well ..Gucci doesn't attach contral number card with the handbag..Good luck

[lilmarcool]

Originally Posted by love CC

I can tell it is absolutly fake.. open dispute with paypal and call your credit card immediately.. the gucci tag stamp inside is wrong and have wierd shape. It should have serial number on the other side.. however, now lots of good fake Gucci some purse need more pics .. but this one i confirmed it's poor fake... So funny, the seller can't say " outlet".. only know for factory second lol.. now u know what kind of people you're dealing with..

For the link that show pink gucci purse..That is also fake as well ..Gucci doesn't attach contral number card with the handbag..Good luck

Ok, just for the record, I did report this to eBay and I did open a paypal dispute. I did this only because I need Ebay and PayPal to be aware that this seller is listing fraudulant handbags. Thanks to everyone for the input.

[lilmarcool]

Originally Posted by love CC

I can tell it is absolutly fake.. open dispute with paypal and call your credit card immediately.. the gucci tag stamp inside is wrong and have wierd shape. It should have serial number on the other side.. however, now lots of good fake Gucci some purse need more pics .. but this one i confirmed it's poor fake... So funny, the seller can't say " outlet".. only know for factory second lol.. now u know what kind of people you're dealing with..

For the link that show pink gucci purse..That is also fake as well ..Gucci doesn't attach contral number card with the handbag..Good luck

Hi Me again- If this is not the place to ask this, please let me know-I do not know where I should be posting this.

I have a question- when a report is made to eBay regarding "fake or counterfeit" bags, what action does Ebay take? It is illegal to sell counterfeit items correct, but what is a counterfeit Gucci bag? Are there actually factory seconds and did Gucci really make them? (I have no idea what a factory second bag is). If this is the case, they really aren't counterfeit are they? I am trying to get a clear picture of the term counterfeit when applied to a "brand name" item such as Gucci. I am not sure that Ebay will see this auction as an illegal sale. This seller is claiming he has done nothing wrong or illegal. All I really know is that I got a really ugly bag.

This is what the seller said to me:
"HI there,This is not an authentic Gucci Handbag,it is a factory second nowhere in my ad does it say 100% authentic. It says like Gucci Quality but, nowhere does it say 100%. I put my auctions up for 5 days to give buyers time to ask all the important questions before buying. I have not mislead this buyer in anyway, she should be asking all the questions before bidding. Especially the most important question is it Authentic. All my other bidders do and i am very honest and tell them it is a factory second. No WAY is it 100% AUTHENTIC it is a factory second. If she sents it back we will refund her money less the shipping charge but, we cannot make this sacrifice and changing our policy because of people neglecting and not asking questions before bidding."

This was my response:
Hi- I need to respond to your post.First off, your title reads "NWT Gucci Handbag" This is fraudulent and misleading. What are you listing if not a Gucci Handbag?Second, the first line in the description reads "Here's a very sweet Gucci handbag in pink" Ok-I see Gucci here, if this is not describing a Gucci handbag, what is it describing?Then you add "Gucci insignia splashed everywhere as you've seen before" OK, is this not what one should see on a Gucci handbag?Then you say "Treat yourself or your wife to a high-end brand name for a fraction of what you'd normally pay retail." High end what?? Counterfeit handbag??Your title leads the buyer to believe that you are auctioning a Gucci handbag. Your description leads the buyer to believe that you are auctioning a Gucci handbag! I see Gucci in the title and all through the description, but NOWHERE in the title or description do you say that this is a "factory second". Your title and description are fraudulent and misleading. There is no other way to put it!Yes, perhaps questions should be asked prior to bidding, but from your title and description, I was led to believe that you had a Gucci handbag for auction. You say when people ask you if it is authentic, you are very honest with them and tell them it is a "factory second". Why are you not honest from the start! This to me shows that you are unethical! You state you are auctioning a NWT Gucci Handbag! If you were honest from the start this would put an end to wasting everyone's time.As to the statement you make "we cannot make this sacrifice and changing our policy because of people neglecting and not asking questions before bidding." To what is this referring?? You were fraudulent in the listing-starting with the title of the listing and then all the way through the description. This time you were caught and are being called on it. I am very unhappy. Sellers like you should not be allowed to knowingly misinform people, this is unethical!"

Then he comes back with this:
"- this is the husband. I've read your posting and my wife will be very upset over your response and allegations. Sure, the burden is on the buyer having to check and ask questions prior to bidding. The bid is your contract. And since we're not a store we usually consider all sales final. But if this is such a trouble or regret of yours - that you got a "Gucci" as you say, for this cheap. Retail Guccis are found no less than $600 - then I will gladly accept the bag back...although yes, this is against our policy. Look at our feedback - no one has EVER complained of our handbags. Everyone's been ecstatic and so thankful. Even repeat buyers that I wish eBay could show in our feedback. Nothing misleading about it. As for listing titles...it's similar to you seeing a cheap flight in the newspaper for going to Mexico - you inquire and find out that's a rate for a child - not an adult. Is that misleading? Anyhow, I appreciate your email - not the dispute and holding up our money though. But like I said - I'll refund your money but not before receiving my handbag back. Of course. No one ever gets a refund without returning the goods. Someone else would be thrilled to own this bag. There was one who wanted to Buy It Now before that listing ended I remember. Please return the bag in its original packaging - including the dust bag - and be sure to get tracking and insure it in equal to what I had for you. Thank you for your cooperation."


I would really like to know if I have any legal grounds through PayPal to continue this dispute, or if the seller is correct in what he is saying and I should just return the bag and be done with it.
Sorry to be so long winded, and this may not be the correct place to be posting this, but I really, really do not like dishonest people If anyone has any advice or thoughts, please share.
Thanks

[Dickity]

Yes you can DO all this. But unfortunately unless the Vero rights owner contacts them eBay will DO nothing more than send you their famous canned messages. Some may think they have had success, but it was the vero rights owner who has accomplish this feat. Thats the way ebay wants it. DO YOU really think ebay cares or wants to take action I think not. If every counterfeiter was taken off ebay they loose MILLIONS. More millions than it takes fighting these big law suits like tiffany's etc. So they made it clear COME ALL YE CONTERFITERS

[Dickity]

THE fastest way to use paypal is do the not as significantly described. They DO NOT allow sellers to use their seller protection on this type of filing. And the seller will usually give in quickly. I have seen sellers being defrauded this way. One seller sent a watch. And recieved watch parts back. Again because the seller protection policy doesnt apply to significantly not as described items wither true or not.

[Dickity]

Oh by the way as soon as you do a credit card filing EVERTHING STOPS at paypal. AND it will take longer. Do the not as decribed with paypal for fast action. Then if by some strike of lighting you didnt win do the credit card

[Dickity]

Originally Posted by chipmunk-pnw

I hope you are aware eBay can only have auctions of fakes removed as long as the copyright owner is a member of ebay's VERO program?

If you don't see your designer listed, eBay will not remove the auction:
Click her to see a list
Bear in mind not all designers are members, to be a member probably involves some costs and a legal enforcement procedure in place. Not every designer is familiar with legal procedures, and some decide they do not have the resources to be a VERO member at this time.

Well not totally true. MANY member choose not to be listed. But are in fact part of the Vero progam.

[lilmarcool]

Originally Posted by Dickity

Oh by the way as soon as you do a credit card filing EVERTHING STOPS at paypal. AND it will take longer. Do the not as decribed with paypal for fast action. Then if by some strike of lighting you didnt win do the credit card

Thanks for the advice!
The seller really wants to "settle" this. He has posted in PayPal, that by me responding to his posts in PayPal, it is making him "look" bad. REALLY??? He has also said that he wants the bag back so that he can sell it to someone who really wants it! This to me says that he does not think he is doing anything illegal. I want this seller to be aware that selling "fake" bags (yes, I said to him FAKE) is illegal. Anyway, I still have the bag, I will send it back, at my expense. What really gets me is that I have to pay for the shipping/handling/ins fees BOTH ways! If I went through my credit card co, I might be able to recoup the shipping one way from the seller.

Does Gucci actually sell their factory seconds?
WAIT- does Gucci actually MAKE factory seconds??? Ha.