Paypal wants the fake chanel??????

[bagatella]

This is crazy?! Has anyone called Paypal to see if this is true?

[Ellie Mae]

It seems to be true... read this one... Paypal wants the bag, via US mail.

Is it illegal to mail counterfeit items using US postal service?

[maryamrose]

This is really bizarre.

[purexelegance]

Oh my fricking god.

I am in absolute shock.

[purexelegance]

Also, I think we should start writing to all of the fashion bloggers as well as on other fashion forums (EX: thefashionspot.com)!!

We should make a list of who we should send e-mails to about this problem and start raising awareness about the issue at hand!!!

[LT bag lady]

Just giving this thread a bump so everyone can read.
Since eBay has lost the suit against them by LV, anyone feeling pity for eBay should read this.

I for one realize they are a business and for the most part have no problems with theire policies and relationship with Paypal but THIS is just wrong!!!

Cheers,

[purse-n-boots]

WOW! You go girl!!

I would save the ebay page with your listing so that you can see it offline. It will eventually expire and won't be able to see it any longer. Or eBay has the power to make it disappear as well.

Thankfully, I am sure the employee at paypal could care less about what you are doing so they probably won't do anything drastic to hide any wrongdoings.

Keep on with the updates!

[gro3602]

Any updates?

[jemi]

Oh ladies....an article you may want to read.

Where Do eBay Fakes Go to Die?

http://www.auctionbytes.com/cab/abn/y08/m07/i02/s01


Why does PayPal ask buyers to send counterfeit merchandise purchased on eBay to a warehouse in Texas belonging to a liquidator? That's the question some eBay members are asking, and some are questioning whether PayPal is directing the liquidator to resell counterfeit items rather than destroying them.

"The Purse Forum," an online discussion board calling itself a "community for handbag lovers and shoulder fashion fetishists," has an active discussion in which users speculate Liquidity Services is reselling counterfeits on their site on PayPal's behalf. The person who started the thread about PayPal's request for her to send a fake Chanel handbag (in its original condition) to Liquidity Service's address in Texas later wrote to say she had filed a complaint with the FBI over the matter.

One buyer who wrote to AuctionBytes had similar concerns. "I became suspicious as to why (PayPal) would want the bags in original condition. Why wouldn't they want me to cut the handles in half or put a big black X on the outside with permanent marker?" she asked.

In response to an inquiry about these claims, Liquidity Services spokesperson Julie Davis told AuctionBytes, "If we receive goods from PayPal that have evidence of or are suspected to be counterfeit, they are destroyed. Liquidation.com would not knowingly sell counterfeit goods in our marketplace."

PayPal explained why it was working with Liquidity Services and how the "Significantly Not as Described" (SNAD) claims process works. Spokesperson Michael Oldenburg said PayPal works with the liquidation firm in a very limited number of cases in Buyer Protection claims where the buyer has filed a Significantly Not as Described claim, and the buyer and seller cannot work it out. "We usually encourage the buyer to return the merchandise to the seller," Oldenburg said.

In cases where they buyer doesn't want to return the merchandise to the seller, or the seller doesn't want the merchandise back, PayPal compensates both parties, he said. In those cases, PayPal asks the buyer to send the merchandise to Liquidity Services.

Liquidity Services does not act as an authenticator, Oldenburg said, and what happens to the item in Texas then depends on the type of SNAD claim. If there is an accusation that the item was counterfeit, PayPal says it directs Liquidity Services to destroy the item. Otherwise, Liquidity Services liquidates the item on its own marketplace. "That helps us recover some of our losses because, as I mentioned before, we've already paid out both the buyer and the seller."

However, claims are handled differently if the buyer initiates a chargeback with their credit card company.

"PayPal agents work with sellers, and we advocate on their behalf," Oldenburg said. If the seller can prove the item is authentic, they can give that proof to PayPal who will give it to the credit card company. But if the credit card company sides with the buyer, PayPal complies and withdraws the money from the seller's account.

However, Oldenburg said, sellers in that case can request that PayPal return the item to them if the buyer sends the item to Liquidity Services. "If the situation is a credit card chargeback, the credit card company works with the buyer to have him or her return the merchandise either directly to the seller or to PayPal via Liquidity Services. The buyer is usually required by his or her credit card company to provide proof that the item has been returned." The exception is if the claim is for a counterfeit item, he said.

"We always encourage people to use the online dispute resolution center," Oldenburg said, adding that PayPal tries to facilitate a dialog between the buyer and the seller so they can come to a mutual resolution.

[nooch]

Rofl, are we supposed to believe that paypal has these people destroy the fakes? What about the people who were told they weren't getting their refunds until they returned the fakes in the original condition?

[geniepr]

Originally Posted by jemi

In cases where they buyer doesn't want to return the merchandise to the seller, or the seller doesn't want the merchandise back, PayPal compensates both parties, he said.

Sure...

[izitso]

This is absolutely OUTRAGEOUS.

Nail'em, girls.. don't stop until it's on national TV and IN THE COURTS.

[HandbagAngel]

Does eBay/PayPal expect us to believe it?! They got to be kidding!

[pegasuscom]

Given all the litigation, do you not find it incredibly arrogant that they would even attempt such a scam? Most people involved in court battles tend to stay away from trouble instead of compounding their problems. Call the public relations department of LVMH...

[Hippiechick1969]

This is the message I received from PayPal a couple months ago when I filed the claim and won the case:

===============================================
A refund on this transaction will be awarded to you once the item, in its
original condition, is shipped to the following address:

PayPal Returns
12750 Perimeter Dr Suite 154
Dallas, TX 75228

Attn: Buyer Protection Claims - #PP-************

Make sure to include your case number in the address above.



Dragonlady, where it says
Attn: Buyer Protection Claims - #PP-************

How many numbers, is that PP#?


I was doing a little investigting last night. I went to liquidation.com and was just looking around. I did a blank search and chose the Dallas, TX location, since this is where Paypal is telling people to ship. I also chose "returns", for the condition.

I noticed several sellers, that sell a lot there, so....
On a whim, I decided to see if any of those names, matched up with ebay ID's and this is what I found.

Liquidation.com Seller (Onlinereturns), There just happens to be an ebay seller named "Onlinereturns". Lets check their feedback, on toolhaus.org:

http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?Use...rn=Received+by

Ok, that must just be a coincidence, this guy is selling FAKE stuff and is now naru'd.

Liquidation.com Seller (Techexcess) Wow, there is an ebay member, with the same name, as well. Let's check their feedback:
http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=techexcess

Hmmm, must be another coincidence, that this person is selling all kinds of used/broken junk!

Liquidation.com Seller (ReturnsManager) Out of a feedback score of 18, 10 of them were negs/neuts and they are now naru'd:
http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=returnsmanager


Are all these, just coincidental? Surely they wouldn't use the same name on ebay, would they?

I then typed in Vuitton and chose Dallas as well and came up with this:
http://web.liquidation.com/auction/s...ondition_RET=1

If you click on the 4th title, it takes you here:
http://cgi.liquidation.com/auction/v...&convertTo=USD

Click on the "view manifest" link, next to "quantity in lot".
you will get this: http://www.liquidation.com/aucimg/1536/m1536075.html
Notice to the fair right, under notes...what are these numbers? That per chance could not be the "PayPal case #" that they TOLD you to include, would it, couldn't be. They would not be that stupid, would they?

You can also look at each pic in the auction, by scrolling down and clicking "view all photos". I was looking at the pics and noticed a pen that is made by Mont Blanc. Just a little strange, because I remember seeing that name, somewhere...
OOOOhhhh, it was here:
http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?Use...rn=Received+by

The last negative by the seller "OnlineReturns", before he got naru'd...ok, please don't tell me that this pen, is the same pen and is just circling around and around.

I then found this article, where it says this:

"Because of its reliability with online resellers, Liquidity Services is ranked as Paypal's #1 bulk source for inventory."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...mark2200282099

You've got to be kidding me, right?Paypal promotes and sends sellers to Liquidity Services to buy in bulk/lots. The buyers of that junk/fakes, list on ebay. Those sellers are now selling fakes and junk and may not realize it. Paypal refunds that sellers' buyer for junk and fakes and what not, out of the sellers account. They keep the sellers listing fees and have the buyers ship the junk/fakes, BACK to Liquidities and then they RESELL it, again in lots, to the next sucker. He then in turn lists it on ebay, they get their fees AGAIN and the circle just keeps continuing.

This is their actual meaning of "returns": Returns were sold to a customer, who then either physically brought the item back to a store or mailed it to a specified location. Reasons for returning a product may not have any correlation to its usefulness.

Heck, this sellers actual name is "returnresale" and ALL his items are from DALLAS, TX.
http://www.liquidation.com/auction/s...e=ReturnResale

Funny how they have a bunch of stuff and then throw in a pair of LV boots, guarantee they are fake! http://cgi.liquidation.com/auction/v...&convertTo=USD

Another one, where they just throw in a LV product, with other junk: http://cgi.liquidation.com/auction/v...&convertTo=USD

This one in barely advertised, just thrown in like the seller has no clue, what it is, making the buyer think they have a steal: http://cgi.liquidation.com/auction/v...&convertTo=USD

This one was found, after I typed all this. I did a search for Vuitton and left the location open. A different seller I noticed came up (Designersforless). Once again, just on a whim, I tried ebay. Funny, there is a member named desingersforless. They last sold something on May 22, 2008, but before that, no sales back til November. Probably because the feedback was starting to look bad, from the negs. So, 3 days AFTER the new policies came into affect, they must have noticed that their feedback jumped back up, from the new 12 month rule. Oh, great she says, let me list something. This is the feedback, from what they listed:

Item purchased was not an authentic RL Polo,bad quality.Seller refuses to refund
Reply by designersforless (May-23-08 13:21):

Buyer unable to provide proof that shirt is not authenitic.

And they have stuff up for sale now...are they all fake? This is a seller to watch and keep and eye on the feedback, to see if there are any more reported "fakes". If they sale fake stuff somewhere, then they are going to do it again. This is what they have sold on liquidation.com and all are "AS IS": http://www.liquidation.com/auction/s...signersforless

Are all these FAKE, returns from ebay? Has anyone been asked to ship items, to a California Address?

You can see by the following links, that loads of people are getting ripped of by this company, because all their lots are, AS IS. I guess they decided that ebay, wasn't working too good and people were noticing the fakes and getting refunds, so they start listing on liquidations.com and then no one can get refunds, because they are "AS IS":
http://www.ripoffreport.com/searchre...idity+services

http://www.ripoffreport.com/searchre...iquidation.com

http://reviews.ebay.com/SELLERS-BEWA...00000001193180

http://www.salehoo.com/forum/wholesa...ory-t2912.html

We really need to get someone to send something back and have it marked, to see if it comes back on ebay or if it's listed on liquidation.com.

ALL THIS IS JUST TOOOOO COINCIDENTAL!