Paypal wants the fake chanel??????

[Odette]

^wow

[KimberlyJ]

I'm totally shocked!

I find it interesting that there is not a word on the eBay boards. I though after Ina's story they would be buzzing. I wonder if they are being pulled.

[mmmpurses!]

Whoza Hippiechick1969 thank you for sharing HUGE major contribution right there for anyone looking to investigate this. I need to get reloaded with some this is getting goood!!!


Oh and in answer to your Q - yes people have been asked to return to California, I was trying to figure that out I think this is done regionally and it is likely that overseas (pacific areas) returns get sent to California.


Trust me if I had the opportunity to do so, I'd most definitely mark the item in some very unique way... visible enough for me to discover it but hard for them to figure it out. Add a little artistry to the fake hehe...

[gro3602]

Hippiechick:

You should work for the FBI.

Gee I thought handbagangel and I were good............... haha

Have you forwarded this information to anyone?

KimberlyJ: I remember reading in this thread that there were postings on the other boards but they "disappeared"

[gro3602]

http://blogs.wsj.com/biztech/2008/06...#comment-30515

This was an article in a recent Wall St Journal.

If you scroll down to the latest comments, someone posted a link to this thread.

I wonder if the WSJ is interested in this information

[luvmycloset]

Awesome! I hope someone has printed all the pages from liquidation.com I have a feeling they might dissappear, I think after they realize that the dots are being connected they will start getting rid of as much incriminating evidence as possible.

[HandbagAngel]

Originally Posted by Hippiechick1969

This is the message I received from PayPal a couple months ago when I filed the claim and won the case: =============================================== A refund on this transaction will be awarded to you once the item, in its original condition, is shipped to the following address: PayPal Returns 12750 Perimeter Dr Suite 154 Dallas, TX 75228 Attn: Buyer Protection Claims - #PP-************ Make sure to include your case number in the address above. Dragonlady, where it says Attn: Buyer Protection Claims - #PP-************ How many numbers, is that PP#? I was doing a little investigting last night. I went to liquidation.com and was just looking around. I did a blank search and chose the Dallas, TX location, since this is where Paypal is telling people to ship. I also chose "returns", for the condition. I noticed several sellers, that sell a lot there, so.... On a whim, I decided to see if any of those names, matched up with ebay ID's and this is what I found. Liquidation.com Seller (Onlinereturns), There just happens to be an ebay seller named "Onlinereturns". Lets check their feedback, on toolhaus.org: http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?Use...rn=Received+by Ok, that must just be a coincidence, this guy is selling FAKE stuff and is now naru'd. Liquidation.com Seller (Techexcess) Wow, there is an ebay member, with the same name, as well. Let's check their feedback: http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=techexcess Hmmm, must be another coincidence, that this person is selling all kinds of used/broken junk! Liquidation.com Seller (ReturnsManager) Out of a feedback score of 18, 10 of them were negs/neuts and they are now naru'd: http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=returnsmanager Are all these, just coincidental? Surely they wouldn't use the same name on ebay, would they? I then typed in Vuitton and chose Dallas as well and came up with this: http://web.liquidation.com/auction/s...ondition_RET=1 If you click on the 4th title, it takes you here: http://cgi.liquidation.com/auction/v...&convertTo=USD Click on the "view manifest" link, next to "quantity in lot". you will get this: http://www.liquidation.com/aucimg/1536/m1536075.html Notice to the fair right, under notes...what are these numbers? That per chance could not be the "PayPal case #" that they TOLD you to include, would it, couldn't be. They would not be that stupid, would they? You can also look at each pic in the auction, by scrolling down and clicking "view all photos". I was looking at the pics and noticed a pen that is made by Mont Blanc. Just a little strange, because I remember seeing that name, somewhere... OOOOhhhh, it was here: http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?Use...rn=Received+by The last negative by the seller "OnlineReturns", before he got naru'd...ok, please don't tell me that this pen, is the same pen and is just circling around and around. I then found this article, where it says this: "Because of its reliability with online resellers, Liquidity Services is ranked as Paypal's #1 bulk source for inventory." http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...mark2200282099 You've got to be kidding me, right?Paypal promotes and sends sellers to Liquidity Services to buy in bulk/lots. The buyers of that junk/fakes, list on ebay. Those sellers are now selling fakes and junk and may not realize it. Paypal refunds that sellers' buyer for junk and fakes and what not, out of the sellers account. They keep the sellers listing fees and have the buyers ship the junk/fakes, BACK to Liquidities and then they RESELL it, again in lots, to the next sucker. He then in turn lists it on ebay, they get their fees AGAIN and the circle just keeps continuing. This is their actual meaning of "returns": Returns were sold to a customer, who then either physically brought the item back to a store or mailed it to a specified location. Reasons for returning a product may not have any correlation to its usefulness. Heck, this sellers actual name is "returnresale" and ALL his items are from DALLAS, TX. http://www.liquidation.com/auction/s...e=ReturnResale Funny how they have a bunch of stuff and then throw in a pair of LV boots, guarantee they are fake! http://cgi.liquidation.com/auction/v...&convertTo=USD Another one, where they just throw in a LV product, with other junk: http://cgi.liquidation.com/auction/v...&convertTo=USD This one in barely advertised, just thrown in like the seller has no clue, what it is, making the buyer think they have a steal: http://cgi.liquidation.com/auction/v...&convertTo=USD This one was found, after I typed all this. I did a search for Vuitton and left the location open. A different seller I noticed came up (Designersforless). Once again, just on a whim, I tried ebay. Funny, there is a member named desingersforless. They last sold something on May 22, 2008, but before that, no sales back til November. Probably because the feedback was starting to look bad, from the negs. So, 3 days AFTER the new policies came into affect, they must have noticed that their feedback jumped back up, from the new 12 month rule. Oh, great she says, let me list something. This is the feedback, from what they listed: Item purchased was not an authentic RL Polo,bad quality.Seller refuses to refund Reply by designersforless (May-23-08 13:21): Buyer unable to provide proof that shirt is not authenitic. And they have stuff up for sale now...are they all fake? This is a seller to watch and keep and eye on the feedback, to see if there are any more reported "fakes". If they sale fake stuff somewhere, then they are going to do it again. This is what they have sold on liquidation.com and all are "AS IS": http://www.liquidation.com/auction/s...signersforless Are all these FAKE, returns from ebay? Has anyone been asked to ship items, to a California Address? You can see by the following links, that loads of people are getting ripped of by this company, because all their lots are, AS IS. I guess they decided that ebay, wasn't working too good and people were noticing the fakes and getting refunds, so they start listing on liquidations.com and then no one can get refunds, because they are "AS IS": http://www.ripoffreport.com/searchre...idity+services http://www.ripoffreport.com/searchre...iquidation.com http://reviews.ebay.com/SELLERS-BEWARE-WholeSale-Electronics-Liquidation-com_W0QQugidZ10000000001193180 http://www.salehoo.com/forum/wholesa...ory-t2912.html We really need to get someone to send something back and have it marked, to see if it comes back on ebay or if it's listed on liquidation.com. ALL THIS IS JUST TOOOOO COINCIDENTAL!

Hippiechick, welcome to the forum!

Your first post is so valuable and informative. I am totally amazed. Do you work at FBI? LOL

This would be a very interesting subject to "60 Minutes" or "20/20"? Anyone has the connection?

[jemi]

Hippiechick1969 - I would like to REALLY encourage you to contact Ina or David over at AuctionBytes and share this information. I know the Steiner's, they are good people and want to get the truth on this....not just glaze over the concerns.

Right now Ina has reported on what she has found out and been told by the official spokespeople for Liquidation.com and PayPal. What she needs now is to hear from the buyers, she needs to get information like this so she can investigate more and report on those findings next.

[lolitablue]

I am in shock!!!!!!!

[indefinite]

Wow, just wow. A lot of time and work definitely went into this thread.

Kinda OT: There was a story on the news the other night about the meals on wheels program. They said that because of the gas price increases, many volunteers had to drop out because they can't afford to take the meals to the elderly and disable anymore. If any of you here in the US have any extra time, it could make a huge difference in someone that is hungry or lonely for a little conversation.

I'm always impressed by the intelligence, tenacity, and energy of this forum.

[Hippiechick1969]

Yes, Good Ole Ina...
Been sendin things her way, for the past month and a half. Some of the info that my buddy Ric and I have been sending into her, has been used in her blogs.

She didn't post much yesterday and I was hopin that was because she was travelin to dallas.

[Hippiechick1969]

This is just for the record:

I emailed Dallas Daily Crime Report, with the long post that I put on here and this was their response:



FROM: Avi S. Adelman, Daily Crime Report, LLC <avi@dailycrimereport.com>

please take me off your mailing list

i have zero interest in this issue.

[mmmpurses!]

Hippiechick1969 I would not be suprised. To be honest I think about the only way to go about this is to pull an Erin Brokovich style investigation... I have an old laptop that may have some info there stored - hate to admit it that I never fixed the thing, went by with another laptop we have. I am working on debugging it.

[Hippiechick1969]

I will take you off the list and I will add you to the list of people who are turning a blind eye to this FELONY!

You are the first on the list of hundreds. Saying it is okay, for them to do this, is condoning it!

[Hippiechick1969]

Oops, where the title?

That was what I sent back to them.