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Twilight78 · Oct 24th, 2009, 06:54 PM

Are there custom duties between Ireland and Switzerland?!

luvtami · Oct 24th, 2009, 06:59 PM

Regarding Apricot Summers post about the recipient changing/diverting the shipping address,

This can already happen with US shipments regardless of whose FedEx account is charged. Any recipient can re-route the parcel after the first failed delivery attempt to the original address. It cannot happen before the first delivery attempt for the reason you mention (a scammer trying to intercept the parcel) -- but it doesn't matter who was charged for the shipment.

I think sometimes this eBay Forum scares people too much. But obviously OP should do whatever she is comfortable with -- but really there's no more risk involved just because the buyer pays the FedEx bill herself.

galwaygirl007 · Oct 24th, 2009, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Twilight78

Are there custom duties between Ireland and Switzerland?!

Not to my knowledge, as we are both in the european union, so I don't know what the "used for 6 months" thing was about. SOO not writing that, it is a new dress!

Twilight78 · Oct 24th, 2009, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by galwaygirl007

Not to my knowledge, as we are both in the european union, so I don't know what the "used for 6 months" thing was about. SOO not writing that, it is a new dress!

Yes, that's a bit strange

galwaygirl007 · Oct 24th, 2009, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by luvtami

Regarding Apricot Summers post about the recipient changing/diverting the shipping address,

This can already happen with US shipments regardless of whose FedEx account is charged. Any recipient can re-route the parcel after the first failed delivery attempt to the original address. It cannot happen before the first delivery attempt for the reason you mention (a scammer trying to intercept the parcel) -- but it doesn't matter who was charged for the shipment.

I think sometimes this eBay Forum scares people too much. But obviously OP should do whatever she is comfortable with -- but really there's no more risk involved just because the buyer pays the FedEx bill herself.

Thanks luvtami,

I will talk to the people in fedex and see what they say. If I can track and insure the item, I will be ok with it, If I can't, I won't be!

I never had any concerns about e-bay until I started reading about it in the purse forum - there are so many scammers out there its making me nervous! The buyer I am dealing with has excellent feedback, but I will still be cautious!

luvtami · Oct 24th, 2009, 07:20 PM

^^ I definitely agree it's important to verify any advice you receive here.

This forum is incredibly helpful and people give really good information on the whole; however because everyone's experience is unique and certain context factors (like you being in Ireland, and many of us being USA-based) can mean that our advice may or may not hold for your situation.

I think everything will work out great for you because you're taking the time to inform and protect yourself ahead of shipment time.

hotshot · Oct 24th, 2009, 08:14 PM

Would call paypal to be on the safe side.

If you receive the go ahead to ship using her FEDEX account, I would request an e-mail

from her authorizing you to ship her in that method.

Would also let her know that she is responsible for any/all custom issues should theere

be any.

*ilovebrad* · Oct 24th, 2009, 08:28 PM

For your safety and assurance, No don't do it....

Apricot Summers · Oct 25th, 2009, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by luvtami

Regarding Apricot Summers post about the recipient changing/diverting the shipping address,

This can already happen with US shipments regardless of whose FedEx account is charged. Any recipient can re-route the parcel after the first failed delivery attempt to the original address. It cannot happen before the first delivery attempt for the reason you mention (a scammer trying to intercept the parcel) -- but it doesn't matter who was charged for the shipment.

I think sometimes this eBay Forum scares people too much. But obviously OP should do whatever she is comfortable with -- but really there's no more risk involved just because the buyer pays the FedEx bill herself.

This is not a domestic US shipment. And absolutely inaccurate as to foreign shipments and US domestic being rerouted overseas as to liability for payment.

In this case, any dispute with Federal Express the shipping party (the seller) is liable.

The risk is a disputed shipping charge to an address that may be re-routed, and the seller will be sent that bill.

Also proof of delivery for Pay Pal purposes.

Lastly, if the account holder pays and you need signature upon delivery, how will you obtain that?

luvtami · Oct 25th, 2009, 05:56 PM

Just a general FYI for anyone using FedEx, I've copied and pasted their "reroute" stipulations at the end of my message (taken directly from their corporate web site). Again, as I've specified I'm referring to my USA experience with FedEx, and anyone shipping from a different country should check to see if the rules differ.

For the signature, I'm still confused why people think they can't get a signature if it's billed to a third party. You just select the "Adult Signature Required" option when creating the shipment.

Routing and Rerouting from FedEx.Com -- US Rules

FedEx may reroute shipments when authorized by the sender subject to the following conditions:

1. A special handling charge will be billed to the account number specified on the FedEx airbill for each rerouted package, and it will appear as an address correction on the invoice. This charge will not be applied when a package is changed to Hold at FedEx Location and the FedEx location is in the same city as the city on the airbill. Otherwise, the special handling charges will apply. See Rates in the FedEx Service Guide for details.

2. To reroute a shipment, the sender must call 1.800.GoFedEx 1.800.463.3339 and provide us with a FedEx account number, the FedEx tracking number, the new destination and a valid contact telephone number for the recipient.

3. We may not honor a reroute request from the recipient other than to Hold at FedEx Location within the original destination city.

4. Our money-back guarantee policy does not apply to shipments that are rerouted. We have no liability for any remedy for service failure for these shipments.

5. Only one reroute will be allowed per package.

6. We may require photo identification of the person authorized to pick up the package.

7. FedEx may not reroute shipments when Adult Signature Required has been selected as a delivery signature option.

8. Dangerous goods may not be rerouted to an address other than the original intended-recipient's address provided by the shipper. (Note: Shipments may be made available as hold for pickup or be returned to the sender.)

9. Any requested change to an address that is not a reroute or an address correction is a new shipment, and new shipping charges will apply.

karmenzsofia · Oct 25th, 2009, 06:43 PM

Thanks for posting all this info, luvtami.

mmmsc · Oct 25th, 2009, 06:48 PM

Luvtami - thanks for posting all this info. Can you clarify what the upshot is for our OP (sorry to be dense here

)??

hotshot · Oct 25th, 2009, 08:34 PM

Thanks for posting and updating info that we all can use

luvtami · Oct 25th, 2009, 09:08 PM

A quick digest from my understanding of the *US rules* for FedEx re-routes (if OP cares to, she needs to verify if and how this differs for Ireland origination with international Swiss destination):

The upside:
1) Only the sender (OP/the seller) can request the re-route. Even if the charges are billed to a third-party (e.g. the buyer), OP is still the sender.

2) Any re-route charges are billed to the original account number used (which following the theme of this thread, would be the recipient/buyer).

3) Assuming the original shipment specified that Adult Signature is Required, FedEx will not re-route the parcel. <== This is a key point and it should help alleviate fears that a scammer can hijack a FedEx account and divert the parcel to a new address.

I'm guessing that things get even more complicated and messy with re-routes across different countries considering issues with Customs Forms and value declarations. I wish someone on this board worked at FedEx or UPS and had info on how that would even work.

new.old.bag · Oct 26th, 2009, 03:32 AM

Did the buyer ask you this BEFORE bidding?

If not, why would you change your shipping method after the sale?

Oct 24th, 2009, 06:59 PM	#17
luvtami Member Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 658	Regarding Apricot Summers post about the recipient changing/diverting the shipping address, This can already happen with US shipments regardless of whose FedEx account is charged. Any recipient can re-route the parcel after the first failed delivery attempt to the original address. It cannot happen before the first delivery attempt for the reason you mention (a scammer trying to intercept the parcel) -- but it doesn't matter who was charged for the shipment. I think sometimes this eBay Forum scares people too much. But obviously OP should do whatever she is comfortable with -- but really there's no more risk involved just because the buyer pays the FedEx bill herself.
luvtami Member Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 658	Last edited by luvtami; Oct 24th, 2009 at 07:04 PM.

Oct 24th, 2009, 07:20 PM	#21
luvtami Member Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 658	^^ I definitely agree it's important to verify any advice you receive here. This forum is incredibly helpful and people give really good information on the whole; however because everyone's experience is unique and certain context factors (like you being in Ireland, and many of us being USA-based) can mean that our advice may or may not hold for your situation. I think everything will work out great for you because you're taking the time to inform and protect yourself ahead of shipment time.
luvtami Member Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 658

Oct 24th, 2009, 08:14 PM	#22
hotshot Member Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,868	Would call paypal to be on the safe side. If you receive the go ahead to ship using her FEDEX account, I would request an e-mail from her authorizing you to ship her in that method. Would also let her know that she is responsible for any/all custom issues should theere be any.
hotshot Member Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,868

Oct 25th, 2009, 05:56 PM	#25
luvtami Member Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 658	Just a general FYI for anyone using FedEx, I've copied and pasted their "reroute" stipulations at the end of my message (taken directly from their corporate web site). Again, as I've specified I'm referring to my USA experience with FedEx, and anyone shipping from a different country should check to see if the rules differ. For the signature, I'm still confused why people think they can't get a signature if it's billed to a third party. You just select the "Adult Signature Required" option when creating the shipment. Routing and Rerouting from FedEx.Com -- US Rules FedEx may reroute shipments when authorized by the sender subject to the following conditions: 1. A special handling charge will be billed to the account number specified on the FedEx airbill for each rerouted package, and it will appear as an address correction on the invoice. This charge will not be applied when a package is changed to Hold at FedEx Location and the FedEx location is in the same city as the city on the airbill. Otherwise, the special handling charges will apply. See Rates in the FedEx Service Guide for details. 2. To reroute a shipment, the sender must call 1.800.GoFedEx 1.800.463.3339 and provide us with a FedEx account number, the FedEx tracking number, the new destination and a valid contact telephone number for the recipient. 3. We may not honor a reroute request from the recipient other than to Hold at FedEx Location within the original destination city. 4. Our money-back guarantee policy does not apply to shipments that are rerouted. We have no liability for any remedy for service failure for these shipments. 5. Only one reroute will be allowed per package. 6. We may require photo identification of the person authorized to pick up the package. 7. FedEx may not reroute shipments when Adult Signature Required has been selected as a delivery signature option. 8. Dangerous goods may not be rerouted to an address other than the original intended-recipient's address provided by the shipper. (Note: Shipments may be made available as hold for pickup or be returned to the sender.) 9. Any requested change to an address that is not a reroute or an address correction is a new shipment, and new shipping charges will apply.
luvtami Member Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 658

Oct 25th, 2009, 06:43 PM	#26
karmenzsofia Life is Plan Z Joined: Jun 2008 Location: Tarot Card Posts: 14,888	Thanks for posting all this info, luvtami.
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Oct 24th, 2009, 06:54 PM	#16
Twilight78 Member Joined: Feb 2008 Location: Robland Posts: 531	Are there custom duties between Ireland and Switzerland?!

Oct 24th, 2009, 08:28 PM	#23
ilovebrad Member Joined: Sep 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 384	For your safety and assurance, No don't do it....

Oct 25th, 2009, 06:48 PM	#27
mmmsc monachus animadverto Joined: Feb 2007 Location: USA Posts: 5,826	Luvtami - thanks for posting all this info. Can you clarify what the upshot is for our OP (sorry to be dense here)??

Oct 25th, 2009, 08:34 PM	#28
hotshot Member Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,868	Thanks for posting and updating info that we all can use
hotshot Member Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,868

Oct 25th, 2009, 09:08 PM	#29
luvtami Member Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 658	A quick digest from my understanding of the US rules for FedEx re-routes (if OP cares to, she needs to verify if and how this differs for Ireland origination with international Swiss destination): The upside: 1) Only the sender (OP/the seller) can request the re-route. Even if the charges are billed to a third-party (e.g. the buyer), OP is still the sender. 2) Any re-route charges are billed to the original account number used (which following the theme of this thread, would be the recipient/buyer). 3) Assuming the original shipment specified that Adult Signature is Required, FedEx will not re-route the parcel. <== This is a key point and it should help alleviate fears that a scammer can hijack a FedEx account and divert the parcel to a new address. I'm guessing that things get even more complicated and messy with re-routes across different countries considering issues with Customs Forms and value declarations. I wish someone on this board worked at FedEx or UPS and had info on how that would even work.
luvtami Member Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 658

Oct 26th, 2009, 03:32 AM	#30
new.old.bag Member Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 603	Did the buyer ask you this BEFORE bidding? If not, why would you change your shipping method after the sale?
new.old.bag Member Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 603

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