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noshoepolish · Oct 30th, 2009, 11:18 AM

I don't recommend becoming an annoyance. You could get arrested for harassment.

chloehandbags · Oct 30th, 2009, 12:17 PM

^ I don't think going there, unarmed, with a friend, or two, who just happened to tag along and knocking on the door and asking for/demanding a refund would constitute harassment; but, certainly, outright threats/creeping around the back of the house etc. might...

If the scammer called the police, even though it wasn't true harassment (which I think is pretty unlikely, BTW, as by doing so they'd be drawing attention to themselves), I assume the police would then ask those accused of harassment what it was regarding and having been told, they would then, presumably, strongly recommend that the scammer refunded, anyway (assuming they didn't also arrest them, for illegally selling fakes!) and if the scammer refused, I can't imagine the police would take the harassment charge any further, can you?

In fact, I think it might make them take the charge of the scammer selling fakes more seriously, if it was causing some sort of, possible, disturbance of the peace...

What I'd be most worried about, wouldn't be being arrested for harassment, it would be that the scammer might, possibly, be part of some sort of organised crime network and/or might be armed...

Of course, it might be a different matter in the case of someone selling SNAD condition bags because, although totally illegal, it's not on quite the same level as selling counterfeits.

Coach Dedicated · Nov 1st, 2009, 10:13 AM

JennaVoguette - dang, I'd do the same thing if that was my $1K.

It's been 5 days, I've called, and still nothing. So I'm going to call my credit card company to do a chargeback. I've never had this kind of trouble in the 8 years I've been on ebay and paypal.

chloehandbags · Nov 1st, 2009, 10:37 AM

^ Hmmm...

Hope this isn't some sort of new precedent?

If it is, I will definitely be scaling back my eBay purchases!

I'm nervous enough buying from eBay as it is!

Oh, one more question, if you don't mind, CD? How many eBay disputes have you filed and over how long a period?

I only ask, as I'm wondering whether they're trying to cap them, or something? If so, that would be very unfair, as some people are just unlucky/have a run of bad luck.

Best of luck with your chargeback, BTW and please keep us updated.

Coach Dedicated · Nov 2nd, 2009, 08:08 AM

Chloehandbags - I understand what you're getting at, but I've never done this before, so this is my first time doing so in the 8 years that I've had paypal and ebay.

chloehandbags · Nov 2nd, 2009, 11:12 AM

^ Well then, that just makes this even more worrying, IMO...

I still wonder whether the seller was a member of eBay/Paypal staff?

Coach Dedicated · Nov 3rd, 2009, 07:07 AM

I'm startin to wonder that myself. So I called paypal again yesterday and they told me the never call people , only email. Then today, I get this email:

Dear xxxxx,

PayPal has concluded the appeal of the following appeal.
------------------------------

Thank you for contacting PayPal about your recent claim. When a buyer and
seller are unable to agree on a resolution, PayPal reserves the right to
determine whether an item is significantly not as described. (For more
information on this, please review the User Agreement.) Once PayPal has
made a decision regarding whether an item is significantly not as
described, that decision is final and cannot be appealed.

We make this decision based on the guidelines outlined in our User
Agreement and after careful consideration of all available materials
provided by buyer and seller.

Sincerely,
XXX
Protection Services Department
PayPal, an eBay Company

I went to my paypal and the case is closed. No explaination or anythng. Just closed. I'm so angry right now. I dontthink I'm going to buy eBay or use paypal ever again. How is this protecting buyers?!?!?!

Ellie Mae · Nov 3rd, 2009, 08:01 AM

I don't know. IMO, you should have won this claim, and WHY you lost it is beyond me. Some little "technicality" maybe??
Irregardless, you have done everything humanly possible here.... file your CC charge back.

chloehandbags · Nov 3rd, 2009, 10:21 AM

^ Yes, file away.

Sorry you've been put through all this so unfairly, CD.

mbparcia · Nov 3rd, 2009, 10:54 AM

Wow, That is crazy! you should have won. Paypal really sucks! they aren't even telling you why they ruled against you? did they not see the pictures of the bag? that is weird!!
File a chargeback with your credit Company, you have given Paypal too many chances to do right and they haven't!

SOLIDGOLD2 · Nov 3rd, 2009, 12:07 PM

forget PP and file a chargeback with your CC.
I cant believe they sided with the seller smh

TXGirlie · Nov 3rd, 2009, 01:03 PM

Paypal siding with the seller is unusual, but a tiny bit of good news for sellers. The question is WHY did they??

Oct 30th, 2009, 12:17 PM	#32
chloehandbags KIABGGTH Joined: Mar 2006 Location: England, UK. Posts: 11,258	^ I don't think going there, unarmed, with a friend, or two, who just happened to tag along and knocking on the door and asking for/demanding a refund would constitute harassment; but, certainly, outright threats/creeping around the back of the house etc. might... If the scammer called the police, even though it wasn't true harassment (which I think is pretty unlikely, BTW, as by doing so they'd be drawing attention to themselves), I assume the police would then ask those accused of harassment what it was regarding and having been told, they would then, presumably, strongly recommend that the scammer refunded, anyway (assuming they didn't also arrest them, for illegally selling fakes!) and if the scammer refused, I can't imagine the police would take the harassment charge any further, can you? In fact, I think it might make them take the charge of the scammer selling fakes more seriously, if it was causing some sort of, possible, disturbance of the peace... What I'd be most worried about, wouldn't be being arrested for harassment, it would be that the scammer might, possibly, be part of some sort of organised crime network and/or might be armed... Of course, it might be a different matter in the case of someone selling SNAD condition bags because, although totally illegal, it's not on quite the same level as selling counterfeits.
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Nov 1st, 2009, 10:37 AM	#34
chloehandbags KIABGGTH Joined: Mar 2006 Location: England, UK. Posts: 11,258	^ Hmmm... Hope this isn't some sort of new precedent? If it is, I will definitely be scaling back my eBay purchases! I'm nervous enough buying from eBay as it is! Oh, one more question, if you don't mind, CD? How many eBay disputes have you filed and over how long a period? I only ask, as I'm wondering whether they're trying to cap them, or something? If so, that would be very unfair, as some people are just unlucky/have a run of bad luck. Best of luck with your chargeback, BTW and please keep us updated.
	__________________ Go Hannah!!! 'My boss, Ralph Toledano [president of Chloé], always says to me that people come to buy at Chloé for what it is, so it does not make sense to order a Chinese and get delivered an Indian!' - Phoebe Philo, May 2005. Proud member of E.A.R.S!

Nov 2nd, 2009, 11:12 AM	#36
chloehandbags KIABGGTH Joined: Mar 2006 Location: England, UK. Posts: 11,258	^ Well then, that just makes this even more worrying, IMO... I still wonder whether the seller was a member of eBay/Paypal staff?
	__________________ Go Hannah!!! 'My boss, Ralph Toledano [president of Chloé], always says to me that people come to buy at Chloé for what it is, so it does not make sense to order a Chinese and get delivered an Indian!' - Phoebe Philo, May 2005. Proud member of E.A.R.S!

Nov 3rd, 2009, 08:01 AM	#38
Ellie Mae KIABCRS Joined: May 2008 Posts: 8,309	I don't know. IMO, you should have won this claim, and WHY you lost it is beyond me. Some little "technicality" maybe?? Irregardless, you have done everything humanly possible here.... file your CC charge back.
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Nov 3rd, 2009, 10:21 AM	#39
chloehandbags KIABGGTH Joined: Mar 2006 Location: England, UK. Posts: 11,258	^ Yes, file away. Sorry you've been put through all this so unfairly, CD.
	__________________ Go Hannah!!! 'My boss, Ralph Toledano [president of Chloé], always says to me that people come to buy at Chloé for what it is, so it does not make sense to order a Chinese and get delivered an Indian!' - Phoebe Philo, May 2005. Proud member of E.A.R.S!

Oct 30th, 2009, 11:18 AM	#31
noshoepolish Addicted to Coach Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 5,077	I don't recommend becoming an annoyance. You could get arrested for harassment.

Nov 1st, 2009, 10:13 AM	#33
Coach Dedicated OP Always another bag.. Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 147	JennaVoguette - dang, I'd do the same thing if that was my $1K. It's been 5 days, I've called, and still nothing. So I'm going to call my credit card company to do a chargeback. I've never had this kind of trouble in the 8 years I've been on ebay and paypal.

Nov 2nd, 2009, 08:08 AM	#35
Coach Dedicated OP Always another bag.. Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 147	Chloehandbags - I understand what you're getting at, but I've never done this before, so this is my first time doing so in the 8 years that I've had paypal and ebay.

Nov 3rd, 2009, 07:07 AM	#37
Coach Dedicated OP Always another bag.. Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 147	I'm startin to wonder that myself. So I called paypal again yesterday and they told me the never call people , only email. Then today, I get this email: Dear xxxxx, PayPal has concluded the appeal of the following appeal. ------------------------------ Thank you for contacting PayPal about your recent claim. When a buyer and seller are unable to agree on a resolution, PayPal reserves the right to determine whether an item is significantly not as described. (For more information on this, please review the User Agreement.) Once PayPal has made a decision regarding whether an item is significantly not as described, that decision is final and cannot be appealed. We make this decision based on the guidelines outlined in our User Agreement and after careful consideration of all available materials provided by buyer and seller. Sincerely, XXX Protection Services Department PayPal, an eBay Company I went to my paypal and the case is closed. No explaination or anythng. Just closed. I'm so angry right now. I dontthink I'm going to buy eBay or use paypal ever again. How is this protecting buyers?!?!?!

Nov 3rd, 2009, 10:54 AM	#40
mbparcia Loving Legacy and LV Joined: Mar 2008 Location: Show me state! Posts: 842	Wow, That is crazy! you should have won. Paypal really sucks! they aren't even telling you why they ruled against you? did they not see the pictures of the bag? that is weird!! File a chargeback with your credit Company, you have given Paypal too many chances to do right and they haven't!

Nov 3rd, 2009, 12:07 PM	#41
SOLIDGOLD2 why yes, it was Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,304	forget PP and file a chargeback with your CC. I cant believe they sided with the seller smh
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Nov 3rd, 2009, 01:03 PM	#42
TXGirlie Lovin Purple! Joined: Jul 2008 Location: North Texas Posts: 9,652	Paypal siding with the seller is unusual, but a tiny bit of good news for sellers. The question is WHY did they??
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