Another Horror in the mailbox

spendalot · Jul 16th, 2008, 12:25 AM

I bidded for this bag expecting it to be in good condition just like how the seller described it. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=150264051978

I was thoroughly disappointed when the bag came looking like this:

More pics:
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...7/P1020924.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...7/P1020925.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...7/P1020928.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...7/P1020931.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...7/P1020932.jpg

The bag is clearly well worn. The leather is very seasoned and yellowish in general and the shape was not maintained. I normally stuffed my bags with stuffings when not in use and obviously this bag was mistreated.

Now please tell me if the item was misrepresented and not as described? Also, the auction has a coin purse which didn't come in the package.[

I have emailed the seller and it has been almost 24hours. How long should I give him till I do something about this?

biggestbaglover · Jul 16th, 2008, 12:35 AM

That bag looks rough. However, I think that you would only be able to argue the pen marks as the seller stated that it was a "used bag" yet stated "no tears, broken parts or defects". Technically, the pen mark would be considered a "defect" to the bag. As for the leather yellowing and the color transfer, this is to be expected with a used, white bag IMO. I think that it would just be considered normal wear and tear for the bag.

PinkSuadeSoho · Jul 16th, 2008, 12:39 AM

I would have a problem, because they didn't mention the yellowing or did they? I didn't look at your link. If you are finding flaws that aren't in the description, I would send it back.

spendalot · Jul 16th, 2008, 12:40 AM

I feel so foolish buying a used white bag on eBay now.

But I still don't think it's fair to EXPECT the colour transfers and worn edges on a bag he described as GOOD?

iluvbags123 · Jul 16th, 2008, 12:43 AM

Your seller obviously took pictures of the bag, making sure to avoid any coloring or ink marks. I feel that this seller seriously misled you. I would have thought that from the pictures, the bag was in great, used condition. There isn't anything else in that auction to prove otherwise. I think you were misled and the seller is at fault. Fight to get your money back!

PinkSuadeSoho · Jul 16th, 2008, 12:44 AM

^ I agree with you. If a buyer never owned a white bag, they may not necessarily know about it going yellowish. He wasn't honest as far as I'm concerned. I would ship it back.

imonpurseblog · Jul 16th, 2008, 01:18 AM

He conveniently failed to photograph the ink mark. I think you will have a good case with Paypal, you did pay with a CC I hope.
Do I see 2 different ink marks? OMG.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...7/P1020932.jpg

^^this bothers me the most. He has 5-6 photographs depicting the strap and yet NONE of them show the ink mark. That's intentional and deliberate manipulation of the photos IMO.

onegirlcreative · Jul 16th, 2008, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by iluvbags123

Your seller obviously took pictures of the bag, making sure to avoid any coloring or ink marks. I feel that this seller seriously misled you. I would have thought that from the pictures, the bag was in great, used condition. There isn't anything else in that auction to prove otherwise. I think you were misled and the seller is at fault. Fight to get your money back!

I agree.

What they did was clearly misrepresented this item and took pictures of the nice parts of the bag.

I would definitely file a SNAD through PP & eBay. But contact your seller first and see what she/he says. If they give you a hassle, then definitely file a SNAD. That's just horrible!

karmenzsofia · Jul 16th, 2008, 01:22 AM

No defects means no defects. A pen stain on a luxury bag is a defect. A responsible seller who is interested in a mutually beneficial transaction doesn't do this. And who needs all those photos of boxes and bags? That's usually a bad sign, in my experience. On top of this, the seller, who got $520 from you, can't bring himself to reply to your email in a timely manner. Some of you might disagree with me on this, but I don't like it when sellers list their bid rules, paying instructions and shipping options before a description of the item for sale. It's like a subliminal thing: "All I want is your money, and I don't care about what you want." Can you imagine going into a retail store and being told "that's $800" before you even pick up the bag to look at it? Granted, if all else looks good, this wouldn't necessarily keep me from buying the item, but I still don't like it.

In any case, if you're not happy with the bag, return it. The item is not as decribed, IMO.

shoulderache · Jul 16th, 2008, 01:22 AM

Wow, judging from the pictures, they made sure to take pictures without any marks in it--that seems rather intentional. You did the right thing by contacting the seller, now hopefully they respond and take it back without any trouble. Good luck!

As a seller, what were they thinking by doing that? Didn't they realize that they would be found out?

onegirlcreative · Jul 16th, 2008, 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by karmenzsofia

No defects means no defects. A pen stain on a luxury bag is a defect. A responsible seller who is interested in a mutually beneficial transaction doesn't do this. And who needs all those photos of boxes and bags? That's usually a bad sign, in my experience. On top of this, the seller, who got $520 from you, can't bring himself to reply to your email in a timely manner. Some of you might disagree with me on this, but I don't like it when sellers list their bid rules, paying instructions and shipping options before a description of the item for sale. It's like a subliminal thing: "All I want is your money, and I don't care about what you want." Can you imagine going into a retail store and being told "that's $800" before you even pick up the bag to look at it? Granted, if all else looks good, this wouldn't necessarily keep me from buying the item, but I still don't like it.

In any case, if you're not happy with the bag, return it. The item is not as decribed, IMO.

I agree with you on this 100%!!!!

skigirl73 · Jul 16th, 2008, 01:24 AM

She sure took lots of nice pictures of the box, bag and cards! It almost seems like she purposely left out pictures of the flaws! Did you pay by PayPal? I'd file a SNAD with PP. Even though she did state that the bag was used and had not rips, broken parts or defects, she should have disclosed the ink mark and yellowing. I think you paid way too much for the condition the bag is in, but you would have way of knowing the real condition because she conveniently left that part out. I'd be so mad!

skigirl73 · Jul 16th, 2008, 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shoulderache

Wow, judging from the pictures, they made sure to take pictures without any marks in it--that seems rather intentional. You did the right thing by contacting the seller, now hopefully they respond and take it back without any trouble. Good luck!

As a seller, what were they thinking by doing that? Didn't they realize that they would be found out?

ITA! Why can't people just be truthful in their listings instead of trying to pull one over on someone? $520.00 is a lot of money for a bag that is in that condition!

pursewatch · Jul 16th, 2008, 02:23 AM

The condition this bag in is far from being "very good", I think you can file for SNAD with paypal.

Leona Helmsley · Jul 16th, 2008, 05:26 AM

Wow I feel really bad for you I agree with everyone one else.

If your not happy I'd contact PayPal ASAP!!!

Jul 16th, 2008, 12:25 AM	#1
spendalot Member	Another Horror in the mailbox I bidded for this bag expecting it to be in good condition just like how the seller described it. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=150264051978 I was thoroughly disappointed when the bag came looking like this: More pics: http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...7/P1020924.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...7/P1020925.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...7/P1020928.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...7/P1020931.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...7/P1020932.jpg The bag is clearly well worn. The leather is very seasoned and yellowish in general and the shape was not maintained. I normally stuffed my bags with stuffings when not in use and obviously this bag was mistreated. Now please tell me if the item was misrepresented and not as described? Also, the auction has a coin purse which didn't come in the package.[ I have emailed the seller and it has been almost 24hours. How long should I give him till I do something about this? __________________ 2 bags to go and I'm done!: updated 13/NOV/08 Baltic Large Veneta Sloane in ASH (F/W08) Live and let live. There's much injustice in this world, as long as one's conscience is clear, that's all that matters. Last edited by spendalot; Jul 16th, 2008 at 12:41 AM.

Jul 16th, 2008, 12:39 AM	#3
PinkSuadeSoho Live the Life U Love Location: British Properties,Beautiful By Nature! Spectacular by SIGHT! :)	I would have a problem, because they didn't mention the yellowing or did they? I didn't look at your link. If you are finding flaws that aren't in the description, I would send it back. __________________ Close your eyes to the faults of others What is needed is less: less greed, less fear, less hatred, less prejudice Nothing can make your life more beautiful than perpetual kindness

Jul 16th, 2008, 12:40 AM	#4
spendalot Member	I feel so foolish buying a used white bag on eBay now. But I still don't think it's fair to EXPECT the colour transfers and worn edges on a bag he described as GOOD? __________________ 2 bags to go and I'm done!: updated 13/NOV/08 Baltic Large Veneta Sloane in ASH (F/W08) Live and let live. There's much injustice in this world, as long as one's conscience is clear, that's all that matters.

Jul 16th, 2008, 12:44 AM	#6
PinkSuadeSoho Live the Life U Love Location: British Properties,Beautiful By Nature! Spectacular by SIGHT! :)	^ I agree with you. If a buyer never owned a white bag, they may not necessarily know about it going yellowish. He wasn't honest as far as I'm concerned. I would ship it back. __________________ Close your eyes to the faults of others What is needed is less: less greed, less fear, less hatred, less prejudice Nothing can make your life more beautiful than perpetual kindness

Jul 16th, 2008, 01:18 AM	#7
imonpurseblog Member	He conveniently failed to photograph the ink mark. I think you will have a good case with Paypal, you did pay with a CC I hope. Do I see 2 different ink marks? OMG. http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...7/P1020932.jpg ^^this bothers me the most. He has 5-6 photographs depicting the strap and yet NONE of them show the ink mark. That's intentional and deliberate manipulation of the photos IMO. Last edited by imonpurseblog; Jul 16th, 2008 at 01:24 AM.

Jul 16th, 2008, 12:35 AM	#2
biggestbaglover Member	That bag looks rough. However, I think that you would only be able to argue the pen marks as the seller stated that it was a "used bag" yet stated "no tears, broken parts or defects". Technically, the pen mark would be considered a "defect" to the bag. As for the leather yellowing and the color transfer, this is to be expected with a used, white bag IMO. I think that it would just be considered normal wear and tear for the bag.

Jul 16th, 2008, 12:43 AM	#5
iluvbags123 Member	Your seller obviously took pictures of the bag, making sure to avoid any coloring or ink marks. I feel that this seller seriously misled you. I would have thought that from the pictures, the bag was in great, used condition. There isn't anything else in that auction to prove otherwise. I think you were misled and the seller is at fault. Fight to get your money back!

Jul 16th, 2008, 01:22 AM	#9
karmenzsofia Incurable Gypsy Location: alwayZ on the moVe kuZ I'm sUpa kOoL	No defects means no defects. A pen stain on a luxury bag is a defect. A responsible seller who is interested in a mutually beneficial transaction doesn't do this. And who needs all those photos of boxes and bags? That's usually a bad sign, in my experience. On top of this, the seller, who got $520 from you, can't bring himself to reply to your email in a timely manner. Some of you might disagree with me on this, but I don't like it when sellers list their bid rules, paying instructions and shipping options before a description of the item for sale. It's like a subliminal thing: "All I want is your money, and I don't care about what you want." Can you imagine going into a retail store and being told "that's $800" before you even pick up the bag to look at it? Granted, if all else looks good, this wouldn't necessarily keep me from buying the item, but I still don't like it. In any case, if you're not happy with the bag, return it. The item is not as decribed, IMO. __________________ ~ KZ's ~ Wishful Thinking List: Miu Miu Coffer in Anthracite Hayden-Harnett Lorca in Violet Tod's New D-Bag Media Tote in Clay Belen Echandia Hug Me in Glossy Black MK Astor Large Drawstring Satchel in Vanilla

Jul 16th, 2008, 01:22 AM	#10
shoulderache Member Location: Arizona	Wow, judging from the pictures, they made sure to take pictures without any marks in it--that seems rather intentional. You did the right thing by contacting the seller, now hopefully they respond and take it back without any trouble. Good luck! As a seller, what were they thinking by doing that? Didn't they realize that they would be found out? __________________ http://shoulderacheandthecloset.blogspot.com/ Come visit me!

Jul 16th, 2008, 01:24 AM	#12
skigirl73 Member Location: Denver, CO	She sure took lots of nice pictures of the box, bag and cards! It almost seems like she purposely left out pictures of the flaws! Did you pay by PayPal? I'd file a SNAD with PP. Even though she did state that the bag was used and had not rips, broken parts or defects, she should have disclosed the ink mark and yellowing. I think you paid way too much for the condition the bag is in, but you would have way of knowing the real condition because she conveniently left that part out. I'd be so mad! __________________ 20% off Xengevity for tPF members. Contact me to find out how. www.myxengevity.com/vickibruno

Jul 16th, 2008, 02:23 AM	#14
pursewatch I Hate Counterfeits! Location: Urban Jungle	The condition this bag in is far from being "very good", I think you can file for SNAD with paypal. __________________ I my hubby.

Jul 16th, 2008, 05:26 AM	#15
Leona Helmsley Will work for bags!!!!!! Location: Maryland	Wow I feel really bad for you I agree with everyone one else. If your not happy I'd contact PayPal ASAP!!! __________________ (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.