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The second one - the black IMO is a fake
The first one - in theory could be a Jaune - but the inner heatstamp looks very deep. I really would like to see the plate taken straight on and not angled, and also the side buckles to check the engraving. I'm not convinced this is authentic - the leather is rather smooth - and right now - I certainly wouldn't authenticate based on what I can see. If you want to ask the seller for further photos - then please do - I'd be happy to take another look. There is no Buyer Protection on the listings - so you really do need to be very careful in these type of auctions.




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