Authenticate This Hermes Bag *Please read the rules and use the format in Post #1

[Pepper]

Originally Posted by suzi30052002

Item: Hermes Birkin black, Togo leather, 30cm, gold hardware Listing number: Seller: segelnragazza ( 1724[IMG]file:///D:/DOKUME%7E1/Martin/LOKALE%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif[/IMG]) 100% Link: http://cgi.ebay.de/original-Hermes-B...item19b743cbec Comments: there is something I have seen on Ebay today . I am already in contact with the seller and she/he answered my question in few hours and posted more pics I asked for. Can you have a closer look if you do not mind? Bild nicht verfügbar

100% fake.

[BostonSkygirl18]

Originally Posted by gracekelly

Syd, I think this is not authentic.

Ladies of the Purse Forum and in particular Grace Kelly – Let me say two things right off the bat: (1) I am the owner of the 35cm Etoupe Birkin that Sydspy posted for authentication, and that Grace Kelly so ungraciously indicated was not real; and (2) I am an attorney living and practicing in the Boston area. In my profession I live and die by my ethics and reputation.

I love the Hermes brand and I have been loyal to it. I buy and use nothing fake. If I cannot buy the real thing, I wait and I save for the day that I can. I work damned hard to afford my Hermes bags. I personally purchased the Etoupe Birkin at the Boston Hermes store on May 12, 2008 for $8,300 from a Sales Associate that I have purchased no fewer than 10 bags from (including two other Birkins). I am known by all of the Sale Associates in the Boston store and I have certainly carried the bag into the store on numerous occasions. The bag was specially ordered for me by the Sales Associate and was still in shrink-wrap when she brought it out to me for inspection. I don’t know what else could make the bag more real.

That a person would so unceremoniously classify another person’s property as being fake is appalling. Hermes bags are mythic in their quality and status and are thus, by definition, prone to being copied. We all know that. There are plenty of unscrupulous people out there looking to make a quick buck from the uninformed. I for one have always appreciated the fact that I could turn to the “Authentic This Hermes Bag” thread to see if I bag I was interested in on Ebay or from a consigner’s website was real or not. However, now that I am on the other side of the denouncement, I am not quite so appreciative, or happy. At the end of the day, whether I sell my Etoupe Birkin does not matter. There are fates worse than owning another Birkin bag. But, what I cannot stand for is the doubt that has circled around ***.

As an aside, were we not as a community admonished to read Jag’s thread of October 22, 2009 about civility. The Purse Forum is supposed to be a fun place to go to learn, communicate and yes ogle other people’s pretty handbags. This was not supposed to be a place were nameless, faceless people get to cyber-bully and ruin hard won reputations. If you have not read Jag’s thread, I implore you to do so. G—save us all from purported experts. I for one feel a little bit like Alice in Wonderland who fell down that rabbit hole.

With respect,
BostonSkygirl18, Esq.

[CobaltBlu]

BostonSkygirl18, thank you for taking the time to write.

I am out the door and am sorry I cannot see this through properly but I do want to make a couple of points.

First of all, while as the owner of the bag you consigned, I certainly understand your dismay, I must remind you and other here that we have repeatedly said....

1. that this is a VERY difficult combination to authenticate as it is very often faked.

2. the improving quality of fakes and the apparent (sometimes) declining quality of stitching at Hermes sync up to make authentications very difficult with new bags.

3. we evaluate each bag the best we can and not the seller selling it.

4. these are opinions, pure and simple.

I am sorry you felt you had to come here and defend your bag.

When a seller offers a 100% Authenticity Guarantee, and absolutely no refunds, it is problematic. That goes for any seller, I am not singling out any seller not do I in this thread or my posts here. The etoupe birkin is problematic as well.

GraceKelly was not rude or disrespectful in her post. She gave her opinion, simply and plainly. If I were in your shoes, and had purchased the bag at Hermes myself, of course I would be upset.

Nonetheless, we seek your understanding.

We have seen a lot of thing on this forum. I am no singling out any seller or any person, these tales go back years, or months or weeks, take your pick.

People have time and again tried to pass fake bags off as real in this forum, and sent them off to resellers or list them on ebay. People have posted fabulous reveals of fake bags. People have bought real bags, and bought fake bags and passed them off as real with the authentic clochette, dustbag, and all the accompanying materials, keeping the real bag for themselves.
I am not suggesting you or anyone else has done that in this circumstance. I am trying to make the point that people will do just about anything.

What I am trying to tell you is that we have seen a lot of things happen over the years here, and for most of us, it means that we must "err on the side of caution."

Throughout these pages we have posted repeatedly about this type of circumstance, and very much in particular about this etoupe and blue jean situation.

Again, I am sorry if there has been any upset over this, but this is where we are.

Originally Posted by BostonSkygirl18

Ladies of the Purse Forum and in particular Grace Kelly – Let me say two things right off the bat: (1) I am the owner of the 35cm Etoupe Birkin that Sydspy posted for authentication, and that Grace Kelly so ungraciously indicated was not real; and (2) I am an attorney living and practicing in the Boston area. In my profession I live and die by my ethics and reputation. I love the Hermes brand and I have been loyal to it. I buy and use nothing fake. If I cannot buy the real thing, I wait and I save for the day that I can. I work damned hard to afford my Hermes bags. I personally purchased the Etoupe Birkin at the Boston Hermes store on May 12, 2008 for $8,300 from a Sales Associate that I have purchased no fewer than 10 bags from (including two other Birkins). I am known by all of the Sale Associates in the Boston store and I have certainly carried the bag into the store on numerous occasions. The bag was specially ordered for me by the Sales Associate and was still in shrink-wrap when she brought it out to me for inspection. I don’t know what else could make the bag more real. That a person would so unceremoniously classify another person’s property as being fake is appalling. Hermes bags are mythic in their quality and status and are thus, by definition, prone to being copied. We all know that. There are plenty of unscrupulous people out there looking to make a quick buck from the uninformed. I for one have always appreciated the fact that I could turn to the “Authentic This Hermes Bag” thread to see if I bag I was interested in on Ebay or from a consigner’s website was real or not. However, now that I am on the other side of the denouncement, I am not quite so appreciative, or happy. At the end of the day, whether I sell my Etoupe Birkin does not matter. There are fates worse than owning another Birkin bag. But, what I cannot stand for is the doubt that has circled around ***. As an aside, were we not as a community admonished to read Jag’s thread of October 22, 2009 about civility. The Purse Forum is supposed to be a fun place to go to learn, communicate and yes ogle other people’s pretty handbags. This was not supposed to be a place were nameless, faceless people get to cyber-bully and ruin hard won reputations. If you have not read Jag’s thread, I implore you to do so. G—save us all from purported experts. I for one feel a little bit like Alice in Wonderland who fell down that rabbit hole. With respect, BostonSkygirl18, Esq.

[Prada Psycho]

Originally Posted by BostonSkygirl18

Ladies of the Purse Forum and in particular Grace Kelly – Let me say two things right off the bat: (1) I am the owner of the 35cm Etoupe Birkin that Sydspy posted for authentication, and that Grace Kelly so ungraciously indicated was not real; and (2) I am an attorney living and practicing in the Boston area. In my profession I live and die by my ethics and reputation. I love the Hermes brand and I have been loyal to it. I buy and use nothing fake. If I cannot buy the real thing, I wait and I save for the day that I can. I work damned hard to afford my Hermes bags. I personally purchased the Etoupe Birkin at the Boston Hermes store on May 12, 2008 for $8,300 from a Sales Associate that I have purchased no fewer than 10 bags from (including two other Birkins). I am known by all of the Sale Associates in the Boston store and I have certainly carried the bag into the store on numerous occasions. The bag was specially ordered for me by the Sales Associate and was still in shrink-wrap when she brought it out to me for inspection. I don’t know what else could make the bag more real. That a person would so unceremoniously classify another person’s property as being fake is appalling. Hermes bags are mythic in their quality and status and are thus, by definition, prone to being copied. We all know that. There are plenty of unscrupulous people out there looking to make a quick buck from the uninformed. I for one have always appreciated the fact that I could turn to the “Authentic This Hermes Bag” thread to see if I bag I was interested in on Ebay or from a consigner’s website was real or not. However, now that I am on the other side of the denouncement, I am not quite so appreciative, or happy. At the end of the day, whether I sell my Etoupe Birkin does not matter. There are fates worse than owning another Birkin bag. But, what I cannot stand for is the doubt that has circled around ***. As an aside, were we not as a community admonished to read Jag’s thread of October 22, 2009 about civility. The Purse Forum is supposed to be a fun place to go to learn, communicate and yes ogle other people’s pretty handbags. This was not supposed to be a place were nameless, faceless people get to cyber-bully and ruin hard won reputations. If you have not read Jag’s thread, I implore you to do so. G—save us all from purported experts. I for one feel a little bit like Alice in Wonderland who fell down that rabbit hole. With respect, BostonSkygirl18, Esq.

This is all well and good, but speaking as a Prada authenticator, I'd much rather make the mistake of calling an authentic bag fake than calling a fake bag authentic. In the world of Hermes however, it's even more critical to be 110% certain when one says "authentic". If there's a shred of doubt, the seller can always come back to the thread and defend the authenticity of their items.

I don't find any of the comments about that bag inordinately out of line for this thread. In fact, I can guarantee that it must have killed these women to call that particular bag a fake given who the seller is and her reputation here.

Edit note: We must have posted at the same time, CB. We also said mostly the same thing. Great minds.

[CobaltBlu]

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[Rose100]

Originally Posted by Prada Psycho

I'd much rather make the mistake of calling an authentic bag fake than calling a fake bag authentic. I can guarantee that it must have killed these women to call that particular bag a fake given who the seller is and her reputation here.

It is just as important to not call a real bag fake.

This can be very damaging both to the credibility of the authenticator and that of the seller, especially if a seller is known and has a good reputation.

It only makes sense that good sellers are aware of the sneaky things people can do and that they take great care to avoid selling questionable bags.

Instead of having it kill you and declaring a bag fake, anyway, it might have been a good idea to first contact the seller and ask about the provenance of the bag.


It shouldn't be that easy to destroy a hard-won reputation.

[markova]

I must put in my two cents worth: gracekelly was most certainly not being ungracious and was just stating her valued opinion, based not on a momentary whim, but on knowledge and experience. The response posted by BostonSkygirl seems, in contrast, rather emotional and is probably an overreaction and not completely thought out. The authenticators have already responded politely - using correct logic and grammar.

Originally Posted by BostonSkygirl18

Ladies of the Purse Forum and in particular Grace Kelly – Let me say two things right off the bat: (1) I am the owner of the 35cm Etoupe Birkin that Sydspy posted for authentication, and that Grace Kelly so ungraciously indicated was not real; and (2) I am an attorney living and practicing in the Boston area. In my profession I live and die by my ethics and reputation. I love the Hermes brand and I have been loyal to it. I buy and use nothing fake. If I cannot buy the real thing, I wait and I save for the day that I can. I work damned hard to afford my Hermes bags. I personally purchased the Etoupe Birkin at the Boston Hermes store on May 12, 2008 for $8,300 from a Sales Associate that I have purchased no fewer than 10 bags from (including two other Birkins). I am known by all of the Sale Associates in the Boston store and I have certainly carried the bag into the store on numerous occasions. The bag was specially ordered for me by the Sales Associate and was still in shrink-wrap when she brought it out to me for inspection. I don’t know what else could make the bag more real. That a person would so unceremoniously classify another person’s property as being fake is appalling. Hermes bags are mythic in their quality and status and are thus, by definition, prone to being copied. We all know that. There are plenty of unscrupulous people out there looking to make a quick buck from the uninformed. I for one have always appreciated the fact that I could turn to the “Authentic This Hermes Bag” thread to see if I bag I was interested in on Ebay or from a consigner’s website was real or not. However, now that I am on the other side of the denouncement, I am not quite so appreciative, or happy. At the end of the day, whether I sell my Etoupe Birkin does not matter. There are fates worse than owning another Birkin bag. But, what I cannot stand for is the doubt that has circled around ***. As an aside, were we not as a community admonished to read Jag’s thread of October 22, 2009 about civility. The Purse Forum is supposed to be a fun place to go to learn, communicate and yes ogle other people’s pretty handbags. This was not supposed to be a place were nameless, faceless people get to cyber-bully and ruin hard won reputations. If you have not read Jag’s thread, I implore you to do so. G—save us all from purported experts. I for one feel a little bit like Alice in Wonderland who fell down that rabbit hole. With respect, BostonSkygirl18, Esq.

[Rose100]

Originally Posted by markova

I must put in my two cents worth: gracekelly was most certainly not being ungracious and was just stating her valued opinion, based not on a momentary whim, but on knowledge and experience. The response posted by BostonSkygirl seems, in contrast, rather emotional and is probably an overreaction and not completely thought out. The authenticators have already responded politely - using correct logic and grammar.

Markova, obviously, her "valued opinion" was wrong.
We need to look at content, not correct composition and grammar here.
What is the point of your two cents?

[Swanky Mama Of Three]

did you guys miss the part where I said ON TOPIC?

Some opinions are wrong, it's life. It's OPINION only by VOLUNTEERS, if this isn't acceptable to you {general you} please kindly refrain from opening this thread.

*and I agree, it was NOT "ungracious"

[markova]

Originally Posted by Rose100

Markova, obviously, her "valued opinion" was wrong. We need to look at content, not correct composition and grammar here. What is the point of your two cents?

The point of my two cents is, that if someone doesn't agree with an opinion, they should take a deep breath, calm down, and make a polite rebuttal. Sorry, this is also just an opinion. Obviously, not all agree.

[Swanky Mama Of Three]

*ahem*

[kalunchi]

Originally Posted by kalunchi

Item: Hermes kelly 35 clemence hand bag ghw Listing number:NA Seller: Let-trade Link: http://www.let-trade.com/v30/product...php?pid=HERAOF Comments: Can someone tell me if this is authentic? Although it's from a trusted seller, I see there were a bit of controversy earlier. Also, what is the name of the color? Thanks!

Hi Ladies,

Sorry for being redundant, but I'm considering this bag from let-trade, we're close to closing a deal, before I pay, I would like to have a confirmation from you ladies that it is authentic. Please help me out. THANK YOU SO MUCH!

[Swanky Mama Of Three]

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