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bagnshoofetish · Dec 19th, 2008, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by redney

Congratulations to Billy, Shoo and the entire LA Zoo staff!!

Thanks Red! The battle ain't over yet though. We still have a ways to go...

bagnshoofetish · Dec 19th, 2008, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by chessmont

The highlighted words are key. Fanatical ARs use The Big Lie technique. keep repeating a lie or lies and eventually people will believe it.

Case in point, one of the "vets" on the AR side was a vet tech about 20 years ago at the zoo. And, she was PART TIME at that. She is citing a case from wayyyyy back then that does not exist anymore. She was let go years ago and is once again a disgruntled ex-employee. She is a broken record about our Asian elephant Gita's foot problems long ago that were indeed treated. In fact, she had surgery a few years ago that she completely healed from to prevent them from ever happening again. (She ended up passing away much later closer to her 50th birthday from a stroke.) Yet she never talks about the fact that all the other elephants we have had also do not have any foot problems whatsoever and never have. And Billy has no foot problems and never has. Does she talk about this? NO!

redney · Dec 19th, 2008, 08:12 PM

Gotcha, shoo. At least it's one step closer.

I'm keeping on sending good thoughts and prayers to you guys!

miu2 · Dec 23rd, 2008, 05:00 PM

Oh My Gosh, I just saw the "60 Minutes" program that featured the "Elephant Orphanage". Didn't realize what wonderful, loving animals that elephants are!! I thought of you Shoo the whole time I was watching. Is there anything more you need us to do at this point??

bagnshoofetish · Dec 23rd, 2008, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by miu2

Oh My Gosh, I just saw the "60 Minutes" program that featured the "Elephant Orphanage". Didn't realize what wonderful, loving animals that elephants are!! I thought of you Shoo the whole time I was watching. Is there anything more you need us to do at this point??

I love that orphanage. Its such a labor of love. I wish they had something like that on a grander scale for asian elephants cause they are in bad shape in Indonesia. There are reserves but battling poachers is still a huge task.
Thank you for your support. The best thing for people to do is to keep contacting the Los Angeles City Council (lacity.org) and let them know how you feel. You don't have to be a resident. Just someone who supports our efforts at the zoo.
Thank you all so much. I cannot thank you enough.

miu2 · Dec 24th, 2008, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by bagnshoofetish

I love that orphanage. Its such a labor of love. I wish they had something like that on a grander scale for asian elephants cause they are in bad shape in Indonesia. There are reserves but battling poachers is still a huge task.
Thank you for your support. The best thing for people to do is to keep contacting the Los Angeles City Council (lacity.org) and let them know how you feel. You don't have to be a resident. Just someone who supports our efforts at the zoo.
Thank you all so much. I cannot thank you enough.

Will do!!!

boxermom · Dec 27th, 2008, 05:09 PM

I haven't posted but I've checked this thread to see how it's going for Billy. It's a shame that people take some incident out of context to get their way. Your affection for animals shines through in your posts, shoo.

So I guess we continue to contact the LA city council, hmmm?

So far so good.

beautifulbasics · Dec 28th, 2008, 02:08 AM

Hello,

I too have been checking back for updates and am so sorry to hear about Billy. Congrats on winning this small step towards securing Billy's future stability. Poor thing. I can't even imagine how hard it would be to move such a large animal and how much stress an asian elephant such as Billy would endure.

Please know all of tPF is behind you sweetie. Keep up the good work for the zoo (and for Billy!).

I wish you all the best, Becky (BeautifulBasics)

p.s.

Can you please post the contact information (maybe email or phone?) in order for us to send our support for keeping Billy at the zoo.

In addition, maybe you could possibly include what exactly you wish for us to say that would be most helpful.

bagnshoofetish · Dec 28th, 2008, 09:28 PM

thanks guys. first go to lazoo.org and click on Billy and the Pachyderm Forest project. You will find all sorts of info as well as maps and drawings of what his new home will look like when completed. He has a pool now which he loves but will have an even bigger pool and a waterfall and a little river and 3.8 acres of land we will have to excercise him on. He is excercised now (though he frets about it sometimes) but this new yard will make it much more interesting and challenging for him. (elephants don't move much unless they HAVE to - like searching for food, water, salt, mud, etc.) Then, go to lacity.org and click on the city council, you get a list of all the council members. you can e-mail any or all of them and just let them know how you feel about keeping Billy in his home and that his renovation should continue.
Thank you all. And Billy thanks you too!

chessmont · Jan 7th, 2009, 04:35 PM

More info on the situation. Lots of good comments. Lots of support for actual animal experts, vs. the anti-animal kooks.

I hope this is resolved once and for all, and Billy STAYS.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/unle...anna-anno.html

cakegirl · Jan 8th, 2009, 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by miu2

Oh My Gosh, I just saw the "60 Minutes" program that featured the "Elephant Orphanage". Didn't realize what wonderful, loving animals that elephants are!! I thought of you Shoo the whole time I was watching. Is there anything more you need us to do at this point??

Where is the elephant orphanage in the show? I may be going to Kenya this summer and read about an elephant orphanage in Nairobi. It looks like a great place and I will definitely visit and sponsor a baby ele.

bagnshoofetish · Jan 12th, 2009, 08:46 PM

Here is a video Slash made in support of Billy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pLETeAF2D8

tiramisu · Jan 13th, 2009, 08:21 PM

bagnshoo, I'm in, too.
The AR people... Hang in there, you are doing great things.

caitlin1214 · Jan 13th, 2009, 10:48 PM

(Yeah, Slash!)

. . . . he mentions Billy's four caretakers.

Are you one of them?

bagnshoofetish · Jan 14th, 2009, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by caitlin1214

(Yeah, Slash!)

. . . . he mentions Billy's four caretakers.

Are you one of them?

I was for the first 4 years of my career at the zoo. Now I am stationed at the nursery but as a 'demand' keeper am sent out all over the zoo.

Dec 19th, 2008, 08:12 PM	#78
redney Lovin' Life! Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,701	Gotcha, shoo. At least it's one step closer. I'm keeping on sending good thoughts and prayers to you guys!
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Dec 23rd, 2008, 05:00 PM	#79
miu2 RIP Dear Penny Joined: Jun 2007 Location: Temecula CA Posts: 5,588	Oh My Gosh, I just saw the "60 Minutes" program that featured the "Elephant Orphanage". Didn't realize what wonderful, loving animals that elephants are!! I thought of you Shoo the whole time I was watching. Is there anything more you need us to do at this point??
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Dec 28th, 2008, 02:08 AM	#83
beautifulbasics Hello! Joined: Apr 2007 Location: Arizona, USA Posts: 6,097	Hello, I too have been checking back for updates and am so sorry to hear about Billy. Congrats on winning this small step towards securing Billy's future stability. Poor thing. I can't even imagine how hard it would be to move such a large animal and how much stress an asian elephant such as Billy would endure. Please know all of tPF is behind you sweetie. Keep up the good work for the zoo (and for Billy!). I wish you all the best, Becky (BeautifulBasics) p.s. Can you please post the contact information (maybe email or phone?) in order for us to send our support for keeping Billy at the zoo. In addition, maybe you could possibly include what exactly you wish for us to say that would be most helpful.
	__________________ . happy halloween,

Dec 28th, 2008, 09:28 PM	#84
bagnshoofetish OP watching the sunset Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 20,191	thanks guys. first go to lazoo.org and click on Billy and the Pachyderm Forest project. You will find all sorts of info as well as maps and drawings of what his new home will look like when completed. He has a pool now which he loves but will have an even bigger pool and a waterfall and a little river and 3.8 acres of land we will have to excercise him on. He is excercised now (though he frets about it sometimes) but this new yard will make it much more interesting and challenging for him. (elephants don't move much unless they HAVE to - like searching for food, water, salt, mud, etc.) Then, go to lacity.org and click on the city council, you get a list of all the council members. you can e-mail any or all of them and just let them know how you feel about keeping Billy in his home and that his renovation should continue. Thank you all. And Billy thanks you too!
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Jan 12th, 2009, 08:46 PM	#87
bagnshoofetish OP watching the sunset Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 20,191	Here is a video Slash made in support of Billy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pLETeAF2D8
	__________________

Dec 27th, 2008, 05:09 PM	#82
boxermom Member Joined: Aug 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 13,551	I haven't posted but I've checked this thread to see how it's going for Billy. It's a shame that people take some incident out of context to get their way. Your affection for animals shines through in your posts, shoo. So I guess we continue to contact the LA city council, hmmm? So far so good.

Jan 7th, 2009, 04:35 PM	#85
chessmont Member Joined: Aug 2006 Location: CA, USA Posts: 4,607	More info on the situation. Lots of good comments. Lots of support for actual animal experts, vs. the anti-animal kooks. I hope this is resolved once and for all, and Billy STAYS. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/unle...anna-anno.html

Jan 13th, 2009, 08:21 PM	#88
tiramisu My Brave Girl Venus Joined: Sep 2006 Location: SoCA Posts: 1,559	bagnshoo, I'm in, too. The AR people... Hang in there, you are doing great things.

Jan 13th, 2009, 10:48 PM	#89
caitlin1214 You just got slapped Joined: Jul 2006 Location: Toronto, Canada (Eh?) Posts: 22,259	(Yeah, Slash!) . . . . he mentions Billy's four caretakers. Are you one of them?
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