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chessmont · Dec 6th, 2008, 03:20 PM

never mind

lilian · Dec 6th, 2008, 07:29 PM

Chessmont: I wish you hadn't deleted! I don't particularly care about people wearing fur. I just don't do it because I don't have the money (and wouldn't think to spend it that way even if I did) but I don't care either way. I was just asking because I wanted to see if there was another side to that lawsuit. Thanks for the info!

chessmont · Dec 6th, 2008, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by lilian

Chessmont: I wish you hadn't deleted! I don't particularly care about people wearing fur. I just don't do it because I don't have the money (and wouldn't think to spend it that way even if I did) but I don't care either way. I was just asking because I wanted to see if there was another side to that lawsuit. Thanks for the info!

-I'm sorry lillian, did you get to see it before I deleted? I just get so worked up about the anti-AR side of these issues that I am afriad I will go over the edge and get banned (so does that mean you saw it before I deleted? If so, thank you for the reasoned response...)

I can PM my thoughts if yout didn't see it.

bagnshoofetish · Dec 7th, 2008, 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by lilian

Chessmont: I wish you hadn't deleted! I don't particularly care about people wearing fur. I just don't do it because I don't have the money (and wouldn't think to spend it that way even if I did) but I don't care either way. I was just asking because I wanted to see if there was another side to that lawsuit. Thanks for the info!

I'm anti-fur as well but cannot condone infringing on others rights to get my point across about it. I prefer educating people about it so they can make their own decision in the future. And hopefully, that decision will be against wearing it.

BTW - I'd appreciate if we could keep this thread about Billy and not let it turn into an anti-fur thing KWIM?
Thanks!

madamefifi · Dec 7th, 2008, 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by caitlin1214

Bob Barker (and everyone else who are, for some reason, against zoos) should sit down and watch a week's worth of footage of Billy and other elephants in the zoo. They'll see that they're happy, healthy and well cared for.

You know what changed my mind about "evil zoos"? The book Life of Pi, by Yann Martel. I won't go into detail because I think everyone should read this book, but it really gave me a different perspective on animals in "captivity".

Shoo, please keep us non-LAers posted about Billy!

bagnshoofetish · Dec 7th, 2008, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by madamefifi

You know what changed my mind about "evil zoos"? The book Life of Pi, by Yann Martel. I won't go into detail because I think everyone should read this book, but it really gave me a different perspective on animals in "captivity".

Shoo, please keep us non-LAers posted about Billy!

When I read that book I thought "finally someone gets it!" helps that the author came from that background and has pretty much the same philosophy I and so many of my peers share. Its being made into a movie and some of the people who are going to animate the tigers came to our zoo to observe ours and do some movement research and such. can't wait for it to come out.

dusty paws · Dec 10th, 2008, 07:55 PM

bumping this up!! shoo, any updates? can't believe it took me this long to see it but i'm all for billy getting his new habitat. <3

Couturegrl · Dec 11th, 2008, 11:11 PM

Another interesting book to read is "Ishmael's Wish" by Daniel Quinn.

chessmont · Dec 12th, 2008, 12:12 AM

Bagnshoo, I heard there was another meeting today or yesterday in LA about this- sounded some good, some AR bad - can you give us any details? I have heard details, but would rather get them from an accurate source. Thanks!
Or have I been misinformed?

candace117 · Dec 12th, 2008, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by Couturegrl

Another interesting book to read is "Ishmael's Wish" by Daniel Quinn.

All of the Ishmael books are really good!!!

chessmont · Dec 17th, 2008, 06:57 PM

Looks like good news for Billy!

http://www.billyshome.com/

The LA Zoo Commission voted yesterday to finish Billy's new home!

dallas · Dec 17th, 2008, 09:36 PM

^ What fabulous news.

Shoo must be thrilled.

bagnshoofetish · Dec 18th, 2008, 10:42 PM

Hi guys! Been very busy on the homefront and at work. There was another meeting this Tuesday that went well but of course, the media didn't say a word about it because it went well for us and there was no drama. A lot of keepers spoke passionately about what we do not only at the zoo but what we do conservation-wise. The animal rights people were there but didn't really say anything because there was really nothing to say. They all left very pissed off. They just don't want to see our side about anything. We at least tell them that we understand that they care about animals (or seem to) but they will concede nothing where we are concerned - their egos just won't let them. Its very frustrating but we are not going to be quiet anymore and are going to become just as loud and as agressive as they are - and we have the truth on our side. We're not going to take it anymore! We are not abusers. We love our animals very much and they are part of our family. We are taking it to the streets!
I will update with more when I have it. Again, thanks for your support. It will always mean very much to me and to my co workers.

redney · Dec 18th, 2008, 11:19 PM

Congratulations to Billy, Shoo and the entire LA Zoo staff!!

chessmont · Dec 19th, 2008, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by bagnshoofetish

we are not going to be quiet anymore and are going to become just as loud and as agressive as they are - and we have the truth on our side. We're not going to take it anymore! We are not abusers. We love our animals very much and they are part of our family. We are taking it to the streets!
I will update with more when I have it. Again, thanks for your support. It will always mean very much to me and to my co workers.

The highlighted words are key. Fanatical ARs use The Big Lie technique. keep repeating a lie or lies and eventually people will believe it. See Mein Kampf (I am not kidding) for instructions on the technique.

Be visible, show up, ask everyone you know to show up at meetings, peaceful protests, etc. to help you. and use facts, keep to the high road and help the general population who has no idea of the real AR agenda see that these people are nuts and freaks.
Amen.

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Dec 6th, 2008, 07:29 PM	#62
lilian Member Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,216	Chessmont: I wish you hadn't deleted! I don't particularly care about people wearing fur. I just don't do it because I don't have the money (and wouldn't think to spend it that way even if I did) but I don't care either way. I was just asking because I wanted to see if there was another side to that lawsuit. Thanks for the info!
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Dec 10th, 2008, 07:55 PM	#67
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Dec 12th, 2008, 12:12 AM	#69
chessmont Member Joined: Aug 2006 Location: CA, USA Posts: 4,612	Bagnshoo, I heard there was another meeting today or yesterday in LA about this- sounded some good, some AR bad - can you give us any details? I have heard details, but would rather get them from an accurate source. Thanks! Or have I been misinformed?

Dec 17th, 2008, 06:57 PM	#71
chessmont Member Joined: Aug 2006 Location: CA, USA Posts: 4,612	Looks like good news for Billy! http://www.billyshome.com/ The LA Zoo Commission voted yesterday to finish Billy's new home!

Dec 18th, 2008, 10:42 PM	#73
bagnshoofetish OP watching the sunset Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 20,191	Hi guys! Been very busy on the homefront and at work. There was another meeting this Tuesday that went well but of course, the media didn't say a word about it because it went well for us and there was no drama. A lot of keepers spoke passionately about what we do not only at the zoo but what we do conservation-wise. The animal rights people were there but didn't really say anything because there was really nothing to say. They all left very pissed off. They just don't want to see our side about anything. We at least tell them that we understand that they care about animals (or seem to) but they will concede nothing where we are concerned - their egos just won't let them. Its very frustrating but we are not going to be quiet anymore and are going to become just as loud and as agressive as they are - and we have the truth on our side. We're not going to take it anymore! We are not abusers. We love our animals very much and they are part of our family. We are taking it to the streets! I will update with more when I have it. Again, thanks for your support. It will always mean very much to me and to my co workers.
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Dec 18th, 2008, 11:19 PM	#74
redney Lovin' Life! Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,701	Congratulations to Billy, Shoo and the entire LA Zoo staff!!
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